Question for schutzhund people
Hey guys i recently started teaching my dog competition commands(With no intention to compete).
My dog does the Competition "Here" perfectly, and today i started working with him on the competition "Heel".
He does great job with the focusing towards my upper body but we still got a lot of work.
Well i got two questions for you guys.
Any idea how do i teach my dog to jump a from "Here" to "Heel"?
And the second question is how do i teach my dog to "Hold"?
(for future dumbbell retrieve, and for holding on dumbbell while doing commands like "Heel" "Sit" "Down")
Totally new to schutzund, but in regular ol' obedience training the only way I've found to consistently get my training dogs to grasp the swing around from 'here' to 'heel' is to teach 'pivot on an object'. We use one of those little exercise step-up platforms from the eighties (there's always one at Goodwill!) and they learn paws-on first, then how to leave their paws on and turn their butt. Then turning to heel. Then I just take away the little platform and have them pivot on a spot. Then... 'heel' from 'here'.
As for hold... I have retarded dogs that cannot seem to grasp the concept (get it?! HAH!). The minute I learn the foolproof trick to getting them to keep it in their mouth for more than a split second I'll let you know! :P
I'm not 100% clear on what you're asking, but if I can figure it out I'll do my best to help. :)
Are you asking how to get a dog to go from Front to Heel via left finish? i.e., something like this:
IMO the fastest/easiest way to do that without a ton of foundational work is via hand target or food luring like what's shown on that clip. Doing that big step with your foot is also helpful for many dogs because they can follow your movement to get into Heel, but for competition purposes you'd want to fade that out (a lot of trainers don't even teach it that way in the beginning to avoid needing to fade it out later).
For holding an object, I usually clicker shape for the initial hold and then for duration. That one can take a long time if you have a dog who doesn't like holding things (like, oh, both of mine...) but with patience and practice it'll come together.
[QUOTE=R-a-m-b-o;4190778]My dog is not clicker trained :/ and i'd like to keep it this way, i have nothing against clickers i just don't feel like using one.
So use your voice instead. Or are you against treats in training period?
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Concentrate on the front position first and most importantly. The finishing to heel will confuse the dog. Bart Bellon teaches the dog to go to the left and the right so as to stop the dog anticipating the left heel command and ending up half heel half front. So from a front the dog has 2 choices. Left heel or right heel.
He uses 3 marker boards with sides. One for front, one for left heel, and one for right heel. He also sees it as 2 exercises to complete the heel. one is walking passed you and getting a food reward and the other is turning and sitting in a heel position again getting rewarded. This makes sure the dog completes the heel and sits by your side not in front of you side ways.
If you have the box it is easy for the dog to know where to go.
I do it another way but it is hard to explain. If you do actually want to ever do this in a competition I would think you should research it more as mistakes are hard to reverse.
Some one else will probably have another easier way to explain it.
There is a video clip on youtube where he explains this concept but I can't find it
Regarding the second question, You should research the forced retrieve in a schutzhund book. It explains there why this method works and why dropping the dumbbell or chewing it is loosing major points in a competition.
There is also Felix Ho clip on youtube where he goes through this in detail, which I also can't find.
Basically the dog is back tied and a correction is given to the dog with a prong collar so that he opens his mouth and then the dumbbell is placed in there and the correction is stopped. If the dog drops it he is corrected again. The dog probably spits it out so the process is repeated. This teaches the dog to never drop the dumb bell by teaching the dog, it turns off the correction by taking the dumb bell and not dropping it.
This is the tricky thing about training dogs in Schutzhund and why reading up on it is so interesting.
Trainers who want to win don't leave things to chance, basically.
Honestly these topics need to be researched. I am simply doing that myself. I would answer anything I can so to help people find the info.
Anyone interested should go to a seminar or pick up some books or dvds and study. 'Schutzhund theory and Training methods' is like the classic how to.
There is one of Bart Bellon's students with a load of IPO video clips where you can read between the lines and see the nepopo system in action. It's on youtube, can't find that either :mad:
Anyone know of them? He is of Asian decent maybe Indian or Malaysian or something(no offense any one ;)) He has one prosthetic leg and a black german shepherd.
I wouldn't try training a forced retrieve without a trainer's guidance (actually I wouldn't use a forced retrieve anyway because I don't like it philosophically and, on a practical level, don't want to build an aversive association with the dumbbell). Too much risk of just hurting the dog without achieving the result you want, IMO.
It's a fairly easy thing to shape and you don't have to use a clicker if you don't want, a verbal marker works just as well for that.
First post - but couldn't resist passing on this information relating to getting a dog to work well with a dumbell.
I found it on a long time back - so I take no credit for its method. I just formatted it into a clearer style. If the original person who put it together sees this - many thanks it worked very well with my GSD. There was no copyright attached to the original material and was presented to be used.
Here is a good treat method of teaching the dumbells...
DOG 3-5 MINUTES. (EACH STEP IS DONE A TOTAL OF 9 TIMES)
INTRODUCTION TO THE DOWEL
* IT SHOULD BE THE SIZE OF THE BAR ON THE DUMBBELL
THIS HOMEWORK IS TO BE DONE BEFORE YOU START THE DUMBBELL; I DO THIS DURING
THE WEEK BEFORE. THE DOG SHOULD BE IN ADVANCED NOVICE OR PRE-OPEN TRAINING.
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