Helpers and petting - German Shepherd Dog Forums

Increase font size: 0, 10, 25, 50%

GermanShepherds.com is the premier German Shepherd Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 02-19-2013, 11:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
Moderator
 
gagsd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: georgia
Posts: 4,262
Default Helpers and petting

Does your helper pet and stroke your dog while "on the sleeve?"
What are your thoughts on why? Is it effective?

When is this a good idea or not? Is it dependent on the dog?
__________________
----Mary
von den Thermalquellen
on Facebook
-and- on the web
gagsd is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 02-19-2013, 11:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
Knighted Member
 
mycobraracr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 2,476
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gagsd View Post
Does your helper pet and stroke your dog while "on the sleeve?"
What are your thoughts on why? Is it effective?

When is this a good idea or not? Is it dependent on the dog?

The helpers I work my dogs on do pet the dogs. I being a helper do not.

They usually do it to calm a dog. If the dog is hectic or frantic sometimes they do it to help the dog relax and just release in the bite. I'm sure there is more to it than that but that's my understanding. I am a threat, a bad guy. I don't want to pet a dog on the bite. I want it to continue to take me as a bad guy. So I try some other things short of physical contact to calm the dogs.
mycobraracr is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-19-2013, 11:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
Knighted Member
 
qbchottu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,093
Default

All the ones I've worked with pet the dog while on the sleeve. I think it is a good idea - gets the dog used to distractions around the face and dog stays on the sleeve.
qbchottu is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-19-2013, 11:36 AM   #4 (permalink)
Moderator
 
Liesje's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 18,856
Default

I don't think so? I've seen them touch the dog but it's not like a pet/stroke, more to get a response from the dog (like he clamps down tighter or does a little jerk/torque on the sleeve in response).
__________________
Coke (All-American 7/7/06)
Nikon (GSD 9/7/08)
Indy (All-American 5/10/12)
Legend (GSD 10/22/13)
Rainbow Bridge Kenya (GSD)

Liesje is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-19-2013, 11:50 AM   #5 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,571
Default

Most helpers do...for various reasons....sometimes to calm a dog, sometimes it makes the dog bite harder, sometimes to help create a calm, full bite.....it just depends.
All training techniques are as different as the helper using them.....ask your helper "why" they are doing something specific......
__________________
Huerta Hof German Shepherds
www.teamhuertahof.com
....where breeding is still considered an art....
robinhuerta is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-20-2013, 12:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
hunterisgreat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 3,732
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gagsd View Post
Does your helper pet and stroke your dog while "on the sleeve?"
What are your thoughts on why? Is it effective?

When is this a good idea or not? Is it dependent on the dog?
Effective when it is the course of action that I want to take.

It depends on the dog. The dogs that aren't as confident and we are trying to work in prey I will stroke or otherwise interact with pleasantly. The dogs that are aversive to contact with the helper I will stroke to desensitize them to this. The dogs that work readily in prey and are indifferent to touch I don't. The dogs that are not as confident and we are trying to work with more aggression I do not touch (in an affectionate way) or otherwise confuse them... I remain playing the role of a threat. The very confident dogs that I want to work in very high aggression levels I do not pet as I am their mortal enemy at that moment and mortal enemies don't pet each other.
__________________
Hunter, CWDC UScA Helper
Beschützer des Jägers v.d. Sportwaffen
Katya v. Hügelblick
SG Aska v. Ketscher Wald
Yōkai v.d. Sportwaffen
hunterisgreat is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-20-2013, 01:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Nashville, TN and Budapest HU
Posts: 4,280
Default

Part of training. Done as not due to dog and grip – it is part of the training process in the protection work.

You do not know what kind of helper that you will encounter. Strong, weak, awkward, does not present sleeves correctly, roll sleeves back over spine (incorrectly) when dog blocks, helpers that pull dog onto them, yells, does not yell, etc….
__________________
www.k9imports.com
V KK1 Molinari Enzo SCH3,IPO3,VK3,FH (WUSVx3,FCIx4)HOT
KK1 Frodo v Biezenhoeve SCH3,IPO3,HPO3.FCI & WUSV '10-'12, FCI '14. HOT
KK1 Griff v Tajgetosz SCH3,IPO3(BHOT) FCI & WUSV 2013
Smithie86 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-20-2013, 04:50 PM   #8 (permalink)
Administrator & LOTR Addict
 
lhczth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Michigan, USA
Posts: 15,788
Default

Even so, Sue, at NO time would the helper in a trial pet the dog.
__________________
Lisa Clark
Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs
Vala SchH3 AWD1 FH2 CGC B/HOT, SG1 Deja IPO3 AWD1 KKL1 B/HOT, SG Elena BH AD CGC B/HOT, LB (the ugly little sable) B/HOT, Donovan IPO1 TR2 AD, and gone but not forgotten, Nike SchH1 OB1 TR3 AD CGC HOT, Treue SchH3 CD CGC HOT




lhczth is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-20-2013, 05:04 PM   #9 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
hunterisgreat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 3,732
Default

I don't think a helper has ever tried to pet Jäger now that I'm thinking about it. Our current helper did say the other day "I hope one day I can pet Jäger" lol
__________________
Hunter, CWDC UScA Helper
Beschützer des Jägers v.d. Sportwaffen
Katya v. Hügelblick
SG Aska v. Ketscher Wald
Yōkai v.d. Sportwaffen
hunterisgreat is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-20-2013, 05:13 PM   #10 (permalink)
Administrator & LOTR Addict
 
lhczth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Michigan, USA
Posts: 15,788
Default

What I hate are the helpers that grab the lower jaw of the dog when they are on the sleeve. What is the purpose of that?
__________________
Lisa Clark
Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs
Vala SchH3 AWD1 FH2 CGC B/HOT, SG1 Deja IPO3 AWD1 KKL1 B/HOT, SG Elena BH AD CGC B/HOT, LB (the ugly little sable) B/HOT, Donovan IPO1 TR2 AD, and gone but not forgotten, Nike SchH1 OB1 TR3 AD CGC HOT, Treue SchH3 CD CGC HOT




lhczth is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the German Shepherd Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:44 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
PetGuide.com
Basset Hound Forum Doberman Forum Golden Retriever Forum Beagle Forum
Boxer Forum Dog Forum Pit Bull Forum Poodle Forum
Bulldog Forum Fish Forum Havanese Forum Maltese Forum
Cat Forum German Shepherd Forum Labradoodle Forum Yorkie Forum Hedgehog Forum
Chihuahua Forum Retriever Breeds Cichlid Forum Dart Frog Forum Mice Breeder Forum