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What I hate are the helpers that grab the lower jaw of the dog when they are on the sleeve. What is the purpose of that?
I don't do that but I believe its to discourage chewing & check how hard they are gripping? Many probably don't know why they are doing it.. just doing it b/c everyone else did lol

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Yes, I think it is the latter.

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Yes, I think it is the latter.
Just like smelling a wine cork... they have no idea why they are smelling it lol

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The theory behind "pressure" on the under jaw while on the sleeve is to put a slight defensive mind set, and make the dog grip harder. *The helper must be careful, this can make some "weaker" dogs freak out.* (just a simple answer to the question.)

Although there is no contact in the sport (hands on dogs)...we are talking about *training*......creating better grips, maintaining calmness, building drives...are all parts of training. No different than people using toys, bait, reward etc...in OB training.....can't use it on the field either...yet it is done in training.

All these things are training methods....everyone uses different techniques, finding what works for each dog and benefits it.....is what is most important.....IMO.

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What I hate are the helpers that grab the lower jaw of the dog when they are on the sleeve. What is the purpose of that?
Good grief, yes! There are so many things that I just don't "get" why are done and this is one.
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Even so, Sue, at NO time would the helper in a trial pet the dog.
No, but I was listing examples of other things to do as part of training. Touching the dog is part of that training. Training is doing things differently. Not always do you have competent helpers to work on.


I know a competitor a few years ago that would have her helper do all sorts of things that normally would not happen in a trial. But, since she competed at a National level and not on helpers that she knew/worked on, they did all sorts of different training scenarios... Touching the dog, falling down on the ground, bumping within the sleeve, etc.

I do not know of helper's petting, but touching the dogs, either with stick or hand is normal.


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Good grief, yes! There are so many things that I just don't "get" why are done and this is one.
Thats kinda a relief to hear-I did the sport for years and never understood a good portion of it
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Another aspect - why are people doing table training? That is never done in a competition, but it is a tool for training to get to competition.

Training and competing are two different things, but one can lead into the other. Rote, pattern training leads to rote work.

As with the lower jaw - depends on what the helper was doing. Grabbing or holding, carrying or checking? No one helper does it the same.

Robin has hit the nail on the head with both her posts.


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Yes, Sue, agree with showing them different scenarios so if something happens in a trial the dog knows how to respond plus, doing different things, IMO, keeps the dogs fresher. You will never trial in a hay mow, but we train there. Never trial in a horse stall or the woods, but we train there. My helpers fall on the ground, pressures the dogs in other ways. That is just good training.

The petting and jaw grabbing are often done just out of habbit and for no practical purpose. They do it on one dog so it should be done on all dogs or they saw it done by other trainers so it must be a good idea for all dogs. Helpers may differ, but many just do things because it is what they do or because others do it without considering the dog they are working.

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