The USCA/WUSV/GSDCA/WDA debacle

[KJenkins]

You made the comment about the AKC and all it's lax rules...I made the counterpoint.

[Mrs.K]

Originally Posted by KJenkins

You made the comment about the AKC and all it's lax rules...I made the counterpoint.

And can you not just put two dogs together, without any titles and get AKC papers?

[KJenkins]

Yes you can. It's been that way since the AKC's inception in 1884. Not denying that at all.

What I am saying is it not a bit hypocritical for the UScA to have a strict breeding mandate only if you want papers to a registry that doesn't really mean squat but if you use the AKC you aren't required to follow those requirements? How is that not as *lax* as the AKC?

[Mrs.K]

Originally Posted by KJenkins

Yes you can. It's been that way since the AKC's inception in 1884. Not denying that at all.

What I am saying is it not a bit hypocritical for the UScA to have a strict breeding mandate only if you want papers to a registry that doesn't really mean squat but if you use the AKC you aren't required to follow those requirements? How is that not as *lax* as the AKC?

The only way to make that happen is if the AKC is on board with that.

[schh3fh2]

Originally Posted by cliffson1

Frank, maybe my wording was incorrect about FCI but the principle is that WDA through GSDCA and USCA initially through SV were operating under the scope of FCI guidelines in IPO.

I'm sorry I misunderstood and thought you were talking about FCI Memberships.... I agree with the sentiment with your statement, that's why we reached out in the first place.

[KJenkins]

Originally Posted by Mrs.K

The only way to make that happen is if the AKC is on board with that.

So because the AKC doesn't require it the UScA doesn't need to take any of the responsibility for breeding correctly unless their registry is getting used?

UScA can write into the rules mandatory breeding practices for the GSD if they want without it being tied to any registry. You want to remain a member and want to breed a litter then you do xyz. Of course it's easier just to blame the AKC.

[holland]

Because I am anal and have no idea what anyone is talking about-which pardon the pun is frankly a relief-but it is opportunity-btw -not that it matters because this post will likely be deleted-ok back to whatever this thread was about...

[cliffson1]

Makes sense !....lol

[schh3fh2]

Originally Posted by Mrs.K

I would contact them if they didn't recognize the titles. It's your hard work and money that went into it and if the USCA is in violation than they should have to answer for that and something needs to change!

USCA is NOT in violation. USCA recognizes all titles earned under judges from WUSV member orgs, FCI Member orgs or judge with no ties to either that have the SV designation.

[Mrs.K]

Originally Posted by schh3fh2

USCA is NOT in violation. USCA recognizes all titles earned under judges from WUSV member orgs, FCI Member orgs or judge with no ties to either that have the SV designation.

Are you absolutely sure about that? I remember a topic where this issue was discussed and people had issues with their titles and booklets going from WDA back to USCA even if they trialed under SV Judges.