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Old 01-29-2013, 03:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I know Grim is young (and male, and Czech) which all contribute to his lack of focus. However, I think that he's also losing drive because of all of that energy is going all over the place. When we were in Bass Pro, he was taking in his environment. He was looking all over... up, down, around... not nervous like, just slowly... taking it all in and absorbing it. He's a thinker to be sure. When we're out on walks or whatever, he's also looking at different things (even though he's nose to the ground most of the time). If I could take all of the energy that's going into his wandering mind and pack it down and direct it into what I *want* him to focus on, I'd be a VERY happy person!! I know he loses some with leaking, too.

Is there a way (besides trying to gain his focus through treats and food...which so far has been a huge failure, as have toys) to get this? Will time just be the answer? Am I right that he's also losing energy through his wandering mind and eyes? He can be intense when he's focused on something, but that focus is so short lived. It's like living with a kid with ADHD. In fact, ADHD was mentioned as for how his focus seemed when he was evaluated. He's everywhere... and into everything....until he finally tires of his 'exploring' and settles.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Honestly do you think you are over reacting? I have been reading your threads and it sounds reminiscent of myself, 3 months ago. Fast forward to now and I feel like I wasted a lot of time, concerned and worrying about my dog's personality. How to get him to pay attention. What is good or bad for the training.
You will be able to concentrate his energy. Last night at a brand new training facility, I had my pups attention 90-100% of down time, with a few treats and a ball on a string. And 100% focus on myself while we were doing all the basic OB commands. Around 7 new dogs, in a new facility, I tell you! That was impossible to attain 1 month, 2 months, 3 months ago, IMPOSSIBLE I tell you.

I am not one qualified to give advice. I will say to give it time, he is a puppy. And undoubtedly from one of those lines that I hear and read about (or at least he sounds like it.) I think that both of you will soon understand what the other one wants.

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Old 01-29-2013, 03:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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How old is Grim?
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Jag,
I can understand your frustration and have been there with a crack puppy (maybe not as high energy as Grim) but I not too long ago took a class the was based on Patricia McConnell's book, "Control Unleashed". Much of the class was based on getting focus from your dog/puppy.
I've provided a few links that are exercises that we did with our pups. I don't know if it will help Grim, but it doesn't hurt trying

Lesson 3

www.dogdaysnw.com/doc/OverallRelaxationProtocol.pdf

I hope these links work, you may have to copy paste the Relaxation Protocol.
Keep trying, you'll get there!
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:53 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Grim will be 7 months in about 12 days.
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I can understand your frustration and have been there with a crack puppy (maybe not as high energy as Grim) but I not too long ago took a class the was based on Patricia McConnell's book, "Control Unleashed". Much of the class was based on getting focus from your dog/puppy.
I've provided a few links that are exercises that we did with our pups. I don't know if it will help Grim, but it doesn't hurt trying

Lesson 3

www.dogdaysnw.com/doc/OverallRelaxationProtocol.pdf

I hope these links work, you may have to copy paste the Relaxation Protocol.
Keep trying, you'll get there!
Thank you for the links! The last one is actually what I'm now trying to teach him. He sits, but then gets up. So I started trying to teach him to sit and stay there until I tell him he's released. I ultimately had to keep talking to him the entire time to keep him there. I haven't had a pup that I've tried to sit or down until released... didn't ever attempt that until they were adults and it was with varied success. So thank you!
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Jag - when dealing with a crack puppy you have to rejoice in the little things. Don't expect so much from your pup.

Think of what would have happened if Van Gogh's mom said, "Oh no, Vincent. You must paint like this! What you're doing now makes no sense to me!"

Give Grim time. Help build drive. Take focus and give it back. I spit food out at my crack puppy. When I tell him 'look' he gives me full eye contact until I spit food out of my mouth. Then I let him go (focus) back into his own world. Lather, rinse, repeat.

My crack puppy is a year old now. I can get him to focus 100% of the time now. But I STILL give him is focus back so he remains highly driven.
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Watch what you are feeding him. Some commercial treats have sugar, extra carbs. I would run him, track him, play fetch or tug before you begin an obedience session. He may be settled enough after that to be able to work.
W/ some pups, the more you try to put control in their being, the more leaky they get. Work with his temperament and don't try to go against who he is.
At this age, I'd just continue with your strong leadership, shape his manners and social skills so when he does start maturing, his Czech serious side is more in balance/try to keep the goofy in there some!
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What else would any GSD puppy do in Bass Pro.

Are you trying to teach focus in store?
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Toys are best for this, especially because its technically a training opportunity and not just a stroll through the store. I also didn't realize that you could take a dog into bass pro...nice to know.

If you need to have a toy of some sort in the other hand in order for him to pay attention...then do it. At this age he still has to learn to be attentive and if that's the way you're choosing to do it than you have to have it on hand until he's older, and has learned what you want from him.

Just also read about how toys haven't worked for you...my suggestion is really start building his tug drive at home. Start acting like its the greatest thing in the world to play tug with you. Make him want that tug more than anything else (you just started Schutzhund and I think they'll teach you that anyways). I just watched a video by Ivan Balabanov who uses the tug as a reward, the first thing he does is really get a dog to be solid with loving the tug, then they work on other stuff once the dog makes the connection that the tug is awesome.

The thing is...without using corrections and forcing him to focus on you in a negative way, if he's not into treats or toys it will be very difficult to get his attention from everything going on around him. He sees you every day, all day, and he knows you'll always be there. That cool new thing outside/in the store is something he's never seen before so of course he wants to check it out.

I'd really start concentrating on building tug/ball drive.
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