Techniques for keeping the dog straight and close in the blind

hunterisgreat · 01-14-2013, 02:39 PM

I'd just like to hear other's methods. I've tried a few, some worked, some not. Recently "discovered" a method on my own that is working ultra-well... using it to fix the positioning of the dogs that like to clock one way or the other when the handler comes up to pickup the dog, or is otherwise messing with them, or the dogs that just don't understand correct positioning, and for some dogs that don't like to get so close b/c of confidence/etc. So, lets hear what tools are in the toolbox for this! 1-2-3... go!

**Liesje** · 01-14-2013, 02:43 PM

Pan used to go in where he was line up correctly in front of the helper but his body was at an angle (we used to joke that he was blind in one eye). To fix that we just brought him into more aggression (as opposed to letting him get wigged out in prey and "OMG I'm working!!!" crazy) and it made for a straighter, tighter guard.

Nikon is a work in progress so I do not nitpick his position at this point. He used to be obsessed with guarding the stick so if he goes in slightly sleeve-side I leave that alone!

hunterisgreat · 01-14-2013, 02:52 PM

So yeah I guess there are really two pieces to the equation... the position for the B&H, and secondly: maintaining the position when the handler walks in. I kinda see them as two different things... usually when someones working callouts and pickups to death you see the latter become an issue.

**Liesje** · 01-14-2013, 03:16 PM

Also had that problem, in fact have been working on it for over a year and can finally walk in and out, around the blind, touch the dog, etc without it effecting the guarding. It mainly took time, and making sure helpers did not do the things that caused the issue in the first place.

mycobraracr · 01-14-2013, 03:18 PM

I have worked it a couple different ways. More so when the dog is spinning but might work for this too.

1) Dog comes in the blind with lead on and the helper carefully grabs the leash to hold dog in position. Make sence? I had to see it to understand thats why I ask.

2) A back door blind. If the dog starts to spin or take eyes off helper, the helper runs out the back door. Dogs reaction of "oh crap where did he go". I better not move or he will get away.

Also maybe handler conflict or caused by doing call outs all the time?

MadLab · 01-14-2013, 03:55 PM

Bart Bellon discusses this a little in this clip.

One-on-One with Bart Bellon - YouTube

hunterisgreat · 01-14-2013, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mycobraracr

Also maybe handler conflict or caused by doing call outs all the time?

That's what I've always seen causing it

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liesje

Also had that problem, in fact have been working on it for over a year and can finally walk in and out, around the blind, touch the dog, etc without it effecting the guarding. It mainly took time, and making sure helpers did not do the things that caused the issue in the first place.

What would the helper do to cause it??

**Liesje** · 01-14-2013, 04:15 PM

Sent you a PM, not really relevant to your thread (or open for discussion).

hunterisgreat · 01-14-2013, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liesje

Sent you a PM, not really relevant to your thread (or open for discussion).

No worries :-)

wildo · 01-14-2013, 05:03 PM

I saw Mike Diehl training a dog that wouldn't line up straight in the blind. As a solution, he did the following.

-kept a long lead on the dog and sent him to the blind
-had the helper in the blind, and a second random guy (no sleeve) standing by the entrance side to the blind.
-just before the dog rounded the blind (and was in motion), the second guy stomped on the long lead, giving the dog a correction on his prong collar.
-the dog lined up perfectly...

I have no idea why or how it worked, but it did...

01-14-2013, 02:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
hunterisgreat Knighted Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,383	Techniques for keeping the dog straight and close in the blind I'd just like to hear other's methods. I've tried a few, some worked, some not. Recently "discovered" a method on my own that is working ultra-well... using it to fix the positioning of the dogs that like to clock one way or the other when the handler comes up to pickup the dog, or is otherwise messing with them, or the dogs that just don't understand correct positioning, and for some dogs that don't like to get so close b/c of confidence/etc. So, lets hear what tools are in the toolbox for this! 1-2-3... go! __________________ Hunter, USA trial helper, Charleston Working Dog Club Training Helper Beschützer des Jägers v. Sportwaffen, HOT, IPO1, AD, CGC Katya v. Hügelblick, HOT, IPO2, CGC SG Aska v. Ketscher Wald, 2 x SchH3, Kkl 1

01-14-2013, 02:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Liesje Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 16,279	Pan used to go in where he was line up correctly in front of the helper but his body was at an angle (we used to joke that he was blind in one eye). To fix that we just brought him into more aggression (as opposed to letting him get wigged out in prey and "OMG I'm working!!!" crazy) and it made for a straighter, tighter guard. Nikon is a work in progress so I do not nitpick his position at this point. He used to be obsessed with guarding the stick so if he goes in slightly sleeve-side I leave that alone! __________________ Liesje & the K9s Nikon (GSD) U-CH SG Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 KKL T1 FO PA TF-III FDCh-S CL1-R UJJ U-CA HIT TT CGC Coke (All-American) VPC's Coca-Cola CGC, couch warmer extraordinaire Indy (All-American) Blue Horizon's Indigo Girl, flyball star in training Rainbow Bridge Kenya (GSD) U-CH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop CL1-R CL1-F RA HIT TDI TT CGC vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs

01-14-2013, 02:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
hunterisgreat Knighted Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,383	So yeah I guess there are really two pieces to the equation... the position for the B&H, and secondly: maintaining the position when the handler walks in. I kinda see them as two different things... usually when someones working callouts and pickups to death you see the latter become an issue. __________________ Hunter, USA trial helper, Charleston Working Dog Club Training Helper Beschützer des Jägers v. Sportwaffen, HOT, IPO1, AD, CGC Katya v. Hügelblick, HOT, IPO2, CGC SG Aska v. Ketscher Wald, 2 x SchH3, Kkl 1

01-14-2013, 03:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
Liesje Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 16,279	Also had that problem, in fact have been working on it for over a year and can finally walk in and out, around the blind, touch the dog, etc without it effecting the guarding. It mainly took time, and making sure helpers did not do the things that caused the issue in the first place. __________________ Liesje & the K9s Nikon (GSD) U-CH SG Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 KKL T1 FO PA TF-III FDCh-S CL1-R UJJ U-CA HIT TT CGC Coke (All-American) VPC's Coca-Cola CGC, couch warmer extraordinaire Indy (All-American) Blue Horizon's Indigo Girl, flyball star in training Rainbow Bridge Kenya (GSD) U-CH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop CL1-R CL1-F RA HIT TDI TT CGC vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs

01-14-2013, 04:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
Liesje Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 16,279	Sent you a PM, not really relevant to your thread (or open for discussion). __________________ Liesje & the K9s Nikon (GSD) U-CH SG Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 KKL T1 FO PA TF-III FDCh-S CL1-R UJJ U-CA HIT TT CGC Coke (All-American) VPC's Coca-Cola CGC, couch warmer extraordinaire Indy (All-American) Blue Horizon's Indigo Girl, flyball star in training Rainbow Bridge Kenya (GSD) U-CH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop CL1-R CL1-F RA HIT TDI TT CGC vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs

01-14-2013, 03:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
mycobraracr Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Posts: 1,406	I have worked it a couple different ways. More so when the dog is spinning but might work for this too. 1) Dog comes in the blind with lead on and the helper carefully grabs the leash to hold dog in position. Make sence? I had to see it to understand thats why I ask. 2) A back door blind. If the dog starts to spin or take eyes off helper, the helper runs out the back door. Dogs reaction of "oh crap where did he go". I better not move or he will get away. Also maybe handler conflict or caused by doing call outs all the time?

01-14-2013, 05:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
wildo Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,119	I saw Mike Diehl training a dog that wouldn't line up straight in the blind. As a solution, he did the following. -kept a long lead on the dog and sent him to the blind -had the helper in the blind, and a second random guy (no sleeve) standing by the entrance side to the blind. -just before the dog rounded the blind (and was in motion), the second guy stomped on the long lead, giving the dog a correction on his prong collar. -the dog lined up perfectly... I have no idea why or how it worked, but it did... __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL3, CL2, CL1, UJJ, HIT, CGC High Jinks vom Neuanfang - DOB 9/12 (Gotchya Day: 1/23/2013) agility superstar in training

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