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Old 12-10-2012, 07:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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nice video. IM currently teaching my dog some tracking but when she gets on the scent its off to the races. Is it better to slow down like this? Im not in it for competitions just to keep her mind/nose active and busy. She rarely misses the track and if I make a sharp turn she'l pass it up but realize she's off and come around and pick the track back up.
That's why slow and methodical is better
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Well being a Schutzhund forum, yes, this is pretty much textbook Schutzhund tracking.

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Well being a Schutzhund forum, yes, this is pretty much textbook Schutzhund tracking.

Yes, what she said. I also do AKC style tracking with my retired SchH dog.. definitely different, but for SchH yes we strive for that.
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It may not be the "best" or the most practical form of tracking but the dog is demonstrating excellent behavior, drive, training....I see SchH tracking as a combination of a dog having the right drive for tracking (without being hectic) and the drive to track long relatively boring tracks and also the amount of training to get such precise footstep tracking, consistent pace, article indications, etc. It's a combination of what the dog brings to the table and how you shape and mold it. I like the dog in the video because he is calm and methodical yet maintains drive and a nice pace. He is tracking each footstep (and picking up the bait) but not frantically casting around. His tail just hangs and his body language shows focus without leaking drive. I also think it's interesting the handler is only about 10 feet back. I see a lot of people try to work down the line with their dog way too soon, now I don't feel like I'm behind if I'm only tracking 10-15' back during training. Finally I liked how the dog puts his nose right into the track at the flag and after the articles.
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The dog also has someone filming him, and is never distracted by that.
Though not sure how close the camera person is to the team.
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Excellent track!! Definitely a V. Good consistent speed through out. I would have liked to have seen his restart after the first article to be a bit calmer (he jumps up and then drops his head). The rest are correct. You can see he air scents the one article because his head comes up a bit towards the latter part of the track. He also gets a tiny bit hectic there. Those few things would put him at either a 98 or 99, but not a 100.

Love the tracking conditions.
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Nice.. we all strive for this type of tracking in our dogs.
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It may not be the "best" or the most practical form of tracking but the dog is demonstrating excellent behavior, drive, training....I see SchH tracking as a combination of a dog having the right drive for tracking (without being hectic) and the drive to track long relatively boring tracks and also the amount of training to get such precise footstep tracking, consistent pace, article indications, etc. It's a combination of what the dog brings to the table and how you shape and mold it. I like the dog in the video because he is calm and methodical yet maintains drive and a nice pace. He is tracking each footstep (and picking up the bait) but not frantically casting around. His tail just hangs and his body language shows focus without leaking drive. I also think it's interesting the handler is only about 10 feet back. I see a lot of people try to work down the line with their dog way too soon, now I don't feel like I'm behind if I'm only tracking 10-15' back during training. Finally I liked how the dog puts his nose right into the track at the flag and after the articles.
Yeah you're all exactly right. Its really hard to get 100 in track - its the consistency, calmness and confidence that the judges look for and even if the dog speeds up 1% after a corner or something thats enough to lose that final point (which is why he got 99 instead of 100 at the worlds!).

Kai isn't the best tracking dog but he does have show good consistency.

His tracking scores are 100 IPO 1, 98 IPO 2, 98 IPO 3, 90 2011 UK Nationals, 78 at the first 2012 Team GB Qualifier, 98 2012 Team GB World Championship Qualifier Finals, 99 at the 2012 World Championships and 99 at the 2012 UK National Championships.

This is one of his worst ever tracks at the 2011 UK Nationals where he scored 90 points


The video doesn't do justice to how windy it actually was but you get the picture. The wind picks up, he gets into difficulty and then the tail starts wagging. Waggy tails are not a good sign in tracking! However one of the competitors in the same trial scored 99 (Beckenberry Casper and Henriette Bohnstedt) - the same dog scored 100 at the World Championships. To get a dog to do 99 in those conditions is as far as I'm concerned as close to tracking perfection as you can get as far as the GSD is concerned.

You also mentioned how we don't train at the end of a 10 metre line and I totally agree, you shouldn't really spend a whole lot of time at 10 metres as you can't really assess whats going on and be close enough to deal with problems quickly enough. Its more important to have a good level of control in training. Obviously you need to do a few tracks at 10 metres just so you're not throwing a curve ball at the dog in the middle of a competition but short tracking lines are, for me, the way to go for 99% of training tracks

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Opening an old thread here, but you sound disappointed that you are getting high 90's? Needless to say I understand the importance of perfection especially in the advancement of the breed (your dogs), but ****, from an onlooker such as myself, someone who is still only in the scent pad, your dogs are GODS... this is a beautiful thing to see!

Come to Australia and advocate the sport..! I beg you... Once a dog gets an IPO/Sch/KNPV title, the Australian National Kennel Council (ANKC) wont even allow us to attach that to a dogs pedigree..! Come to think of it.. Protection work is BANNED in some parts of Australia...

Beautiful dog.. beautiful tracking.. Excellent training!
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