Disarmimg helper- dog crowding?

[schh3fh2]

Originally Posted by wildo

What is a set deduction?

In the rules there are some mistakes that are "set deductions".

In the sit in motion, if the dog stands, -5 pts. In protection 2nd out command -3 pts...send out with down, 2nd command -1.5 pts, 3rd command -2.5 pts....

Like that, other mistakes just go into the overall picture of the exercise and go into the judge putting the exercise in a catagory and thus the point deduction for that exercise.



Frank

[wildo]

Ah- I see. By "set" you just mean predefined. But other mistakes not predefined in the rules are up to the judge as to how much he takes off. So bumping into the dog with your thigh to get them off the helper (when you circling around to get the stick after the back transport) might get you a point off at the judges discretion, but actually giving a second fuss command absolutely will get you points off per the rule book. Correct?

[schh3fh2]

Originally Posted by wildo

Ah- I see. By "set" you just mean predefined. But other mistakes not predefined in the rules are up to the judge as to how much he takes off. So bumping into the dog with your thigh to get them off the helper (when you circling around to get the stick after the back transport) might get you a point off at the judges discretion, but actually giving a second fuss command absolutely will get you points off per the rule book. Correct?

You got it...

[lhczth]

I actually pivot right and ask Deja to go with me away from the helper. This made more sense to her than my stepping between her and the bad guy. Nothing to do with your question, but thought I would post anyhow.

[wildo]

Originally Posted by lhczth

I actually pivot right and ask Deja to go with me away from the helper. This made more sense to her than my stepping between her and the bad guy. Nothing to do with your question, but thought I would post anyhow.

Yes, when I was trying to find a video clip on youtube to demonstrate this, I did see the pivot right method. I kind of liked it.

I also saw some that would do the same thing in theory, but backwards. The handler would take a step backwards but turn into the dog (handler rotates 90 degrees counterclockwise). The dog would follow of course. Then the handler walked between the dog and helper, but with this method there was no confusion on the dog. It looked pretty good as well.

And of course the many videos I watched where the dog didn't seem to have any issue with the handler passing between the two looked just fine as well. ha!

[schh3fh2]

Originally Posted by lhczth

I actually pivot right and ask Deja to go with me away from the helper. This made more sense to her than my stepping between her and the bad guy. Nothing to do with your question, but thought I would post anyhow.

I'm in the process of changing to this way also over this winter....After the long bite my dog is so high that the last 3 champioships I lost the "V" when he got out in front again or setup in basic next to the helper instead of with me. So now I will squeeze him betwen me and the helper and hope that works...LOL

[wildo]

Long bite!? Man, and here I thought I had the terms!!

-Blind search
-Bark and hold
-Escape
-Reattack
-Back Transport
-Courage Test

Where the heck does long bite fit in???

[ayoitzrimz]

Originally Posted by wildo

Long bite!? Man, and here I thought I had the terms!!

-Blind search
-Bark and hold
-Escape
-Reattack
-Back Transport
-Courage Test

Where the heck does long bite fit in???

Long bite == Courage test

[schh3fh2]

Originally Posted by ayoitzrimz

Long bite == Courage test

Actually the new term is "Attack on the dog out of motion"

Long bite, courage test are old school terms...sorry hahaha

[robk]

It seams to me that Wildo is trying to figure out how to win the Nationals before he ever even gets his first Schutzhund dog! (Just picking at you Wildo! I love how analytical you are! )