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Old 07-09-2012, 01:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It it realistic for me to expect this level of enthusiasm in obedience? When I watch this, I get both excited about what I am seeing and depressed because my dog has no where near the level of enthusiasm as the dog in this video. Is this what I have to strive for to be competitive at a regional or national level? What are your thoughts?

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i didn't watch the whole video for the correctness of the exercise, but the I'd say the initial picture and attitude of the dog is very attainable, and needed to to seriously compete at a national level.

Not every dog will be as flashy (some are more some are less), but the attitude should be close.
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I can not get any Youtube videos to open on my phone right now so can't comment on the routine.

Flashy obedience is due to many components. The temperament and drive of the dog definitely weighs in, but much is due to the skills of the handler and also their relationship with the dog.
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i didn't watch the whole video for the correctness of the exercise, but the I'd say the initial picture and attitude of the dog is very attainable, and needed to to seriously compete at a national level.

Not every dog will be as flashy (some are more some are less), but the attitude should be close.
The problem is that not every dog has the very same attitude and you won't find that every single dog has the same attitude.

Nala has that attitude that you see in the video. Than you've got dogs like my other girl, where the tail isn't wagging because she's concentrated, a dog that can't dance like that because of her body structure.
And all of a sudden you hear people say that she must be worked under a lot of compulsion because she's not that tail-wagging, happy attitude kind of dog. And that's the issue in todays competition. As soon as the dog is not wagging his tail, he's under pressure and worked with compulsion which isn't wanted anymore, even though it might not even be the truth.

So where is the line? What's concentration and whats pressure and compulsion? I've had that discussion with my trainer and we both agreed that todays standard is almost impossible to meet because not every single dog will be showing THAT much attitude and spirit. They are living beings and not machines.

It takes a certain type of dog and not all dogs are the same, nor should they be the same.
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This type of obedience requires a very high drive dog, a good relationship with the handler, good training, and a certain type of dog. My little guy heels like this and he's a super high drive dog, whereas my older dog doesn't, but he's not near as high drive.
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So if my dog does a perfect obedience routine but his tail is not wagging and he is not prancing next to me like a horse then he will never score well enough to be competitive?
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So if my dog does a perfect obedience routine but his tail is not wagging and he is not prancing next to me like a horse then he will never score well enough to be competitive?
It depends all on the Judge but it happened before and it'll happen again that a dog like yours would lose to the dog that shows a less perfect obedience but prances like a horse and wags with his tail.
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WOW...I can't even train my kids to do that let along my dog!! haha..
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So if my dog does a perfect obedience routine but his tail is not wagging and he is not prancing next to me like a horse then he will never score well enough to be competitive?
Depends on the level, I guess. My 4 year old dog does NOT heel like that and he got High SchH1 and High in Trial Obedience for his SchH1 but it was a club level trial, not a national. He won't ever heel like that and if you knew him you'd know how ridiculous it would be if he did. But I do expect him to appear willing to work, engaged, and focused. He will not be throwing his front feet out like that or craning his head that high. It's not really his temperament, style, or conformation.

The prancy stuff is a lot of training. Some like that look, some don't. Overall I liked that routine. I don't like prancing that is so high that the dog is really bouncing (and now the topline bouncing like that is faulty). I don't think this dog was doing that though. To me that heeling was a bit forging, but again it's all personal preference. If my dog heeled like the one in the video I'd definitely be happy, though I'd try to get him a bit farther back into position. Schutzhund is not as picky on position as some of the other sports I do.

Generally I think that a moderate to high drive dog that really enjoys the work is not hard to get to look animated and have good focus on the handler throughout the routine. The exact head position and level of prancing is up to training/personal preference.
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Very true. National Level is a whole different ballgame and the jump from National to International is yet a different ball game all over again. That's when it really goes into those tiny little details.
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