protection in training vs non trained.

TriadGSD · 12-18-2011, 12:49 PM

not sure if this belonged here or not but it deals with protection trained dogs vs non train dogs.

what do you guys think will a non trained dog protect its owner? the untrained dogs in these video looks frightened

Will an untrained dog protect it's owner? - YouTube

**Castlemaid** · 12-18-2011, 01:04 PM

This was recently posted and discussed here:

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...rotect-me.html

To keep things from getting confusing, further comments should go in the above link.

msvette2u · 12-18-2011, 01:06 PM

I think it depends on what you mean when you say "protect".
I don't need a dog to engage an intruder, but many intruders would be deterred by a large GSD in the home or yard.
If protecting means barking and just bein a presence, then yes, my dog(s) will do that job.
I guarantee, if someone's breaking in, I will not rely on any of my dogs, or even a trained GSD, to "protect", I will be hauling out my .38 while dialing 911.

This video is extremely biased anyway and those dogs were cowering before the man even approached

The pics where they introduced these dogs made them seem quite intimidated by whatever was going on even prior to the "action".

Catu · 12-18-2011, 01:10 PM

I think this is a very poor video. Cute for school project, but nothing but misinformative.

Notice how different the "helper" walks toward both groups of dogs, notice how the "trained" dogs react at the sight of the sleeve, not because of protection. Notice in one group all dogs are males and in the other all dogs are females and how in the "untrained" group all the dogs were timid ave after the test started.

If I were her teacher, I'd have given her a F. Poor prepared experiment with poorest objectivity.

GSDAlphaMom · 12-18-2011, 01:13 PM

There are so many flaws in this 'study' but it is a 6th grader so based on her very small, flawed, limited study her result is they will not...again deduced from a terribly flawed 'study'. I know otherwise from first hand experience.

In addition she mentioned her dog 'koda' (trained) which leads me to believe the non trained dogs weren't hers and probably didn't know her at all, without a bond the chances of the dog protecting are diminished not to mention the lack of fear adrenaline in her for the dog to pick up on.

Lucy Dog · 12-18-2011, 01:17 PM

Does this girl own any of those dogs not protecting her?

I'm guessing she doesn't, so why would an untrained dog ever want or feel the need to protect her? Kind of doesn't make sense.

12-18-2011, 01:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Castlemaid Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern British Columbia Posts: 9,089	This was recently posted and discussed here: http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...rotect-me.html To keep things from getting confusing, further comments should go in the above link. __________________ Lucia Keeta BH, OB1, TR1, AD (HOT) Rottweiler/Hairy Dog mix?? Shelter rescue Gryffon Vom Wildhaus BH, OFA Good (HOT) "Bites Through the Sleeve" Cuddlebug, b: Mar 2009

12-18-2011, 01:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
Catu Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Valdivia, Chile Posts: 4,276	I think this is a very poor video. Cute for school project, but nothing but misinformative. Notice how different the "helper" walks toward both groups of dogs, notice how the "trained" dogs react at the sight of the sleeve, not because of protection. Notice in one group all dogs are males and in the other all dogs are females and how in the "untrained" group all the dogs were timid ave after the test started. If I were her teacher, I'd have given her a F. Poor prepared experiment with poorest objectivity. __________________ "The dog does not need to be deranked so much as the people need to learn to act like people worth listening to" Suzanne Clothier. Diabla, my Daemon; SchH A, RH-T A Akela, my Direwolf; Work in Progress Bagheera, Long term puppy host

12-18-2011, 01:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
Lucy Dog Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,180	Does this girl own any of those dogs not protecting her? I'm guessing she doesn't, so why would an untrained dog ever want or feel the need to protect her? Kind of doesn't make sense. __________________ Paul

12-18-2011, 01:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
msvette2u Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Beautiful Pacific NW Posts: 5,533	I think it depends on what you mean when you say "protect". I don't need a dog to engage an intruder, but many intruders would be deterred by a large GSD in the home or yard. If protecting means barking and just bein a presence, then yes, my dog(s) will do that job. I guarantee, if someone's breaking in, I will not rely on any of my dogs, or even a trained GSD, to "protect", I will be hauling out my .38 while dialing 911. This video is extremely biased anyway and those dogs were cowering before the man even approached The pics where they introduced these dogs made them seem quite intimidated by whatever was going on even prior to the "action".

12-18-2011, 01:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
GSDAlphaMom Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,230	There are so many flaws in this 'study' but it is a 6th grader so based on her very small, flawed, limited study her result is they will not...again deduced from a terribly flawed 'study'. I know otherwise from first hand experience. In addition she mentioned her dog 'koda' (trained) which leads me to believe the non trained dogs weren't hers and probably didn't know her at all, without a bond the chances of the dog protecting are diminished not to mention the lack of fear adrenaline in her for the dog to pick up on.

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