nice schutzhund take down!

robk · 10-10-2011, 11:09 PM

Watch the take down at 1:04. Not sure if the guy tripped but it was fun to watch!

Kinski vom Heidhof - Bsp 2009 - C:91 - YouTube

**Castlemaid** · 10-10-2011, 11:17 PM

Woah!!! The dog never even let go!

ShenzisMom · 10-10-2011, 11:18 PM

It looks like the dog grabbed the decoys leg and they went tumbling. Hope they both were okay! That GSD should see a chiropractor...

BlackthornGSD · 10-11-2011, 12:00 AM

Did you watch a little further in where the dog kind of loses his guarding bark and lets out a "woowoowoofwoo" while guarding? (around 1:40, I think)

My read on it is that he was a little shook up by the tumble and then the decoy continued to press him hard. The dog had to kind of regroup and wasn't sure what was going on. His tail is bushed out and it's wagging back and forth a lot, in what I consider to be a bit of insecurity.

The routine goes on and it's all familiar and so he starts getting a bit pissed at the decoy. He does a nice courage test. I also like how he really is pulling on the sleeve, not just along for the ride.

I'd say this is a dog who works largely out of his prey drive (and I bet that that is encouraged and is mostly what he does in training) and he finds himself pushed over into defense for a bit and is a bit uncomfortable working in defense. But he rebalances himself and carries on without totally losing his cool. Really, just the tail and the bark show how he's trying to figure out what's going on here. A nervy dog wouldn't have been able to handle the decoy intensity and pressure after being shook up like that.

A dog who was used to that type of work and/or to working out of defense or with a lot of fight drive would probably have gotten more pissed at the decoy and wouldn't have been as shaken up (and wouldn't have had to regroup). On the other hand, that dog might have not outed at some point or might have started chewing or moving on the grip--because the dog was driven up by the tumble and would have seen it as an escalation of the fight.

Nice pedigree on this dog, though: SG, ED NORMAL ZW 78 Kinski vom Heidhof - German Shepherd Dog

carmspack · 10-11-2011, 12:24 AM

the dog did not grab the decoys leg . He was secure on the sleeve and never let go .

BlackthornGSD · 10-11-2011, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by carmspack

the dog did not grab the decoys leg . He was secure on the sleeve and never let go .

It looked like the dog's legs got tangled in the decoy's legs, to me.

Konotashi · 10-11-2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackthornGSD

It looked like the dog's legs got tangled in the decoy's legs, to me.

I thought the same thing. Maybe the helper just tripped over the dog's leg.
They both seemed to be okay after the fall. I'm just impressed with the fact that the dog never let go.

carmspack · 10-11-2011, 02:42 AM

looked at the video several times . The decoy tripped because the dog is gripping the mans legs . As soon as they come out of the spin and tumble the dog once again tries to hold on to the mans legs .
Previously I had said the dog did not grab the decoys legs , sorry about that . I took that to read the dog went for the leg instead of the sleeve. apologies.

I don't see that he was shook up , he instantly made full body contact in grappling the man's legs trying to stop him. The rip on his bark was more of a scold from the dog.
Not understanding the comment about the tail being bushed out. That is just the length of the hair . Dogs don't puff tails the way cats do. Tail wagging -- look at Javir Talka Marda

Javir Talka Marda BSP09 - YouTube

lots of tail wagging .

KZoppa · 10-11-2011, 03:01 AM

very impressive! i dont even think the thought crossed his mind to let go and get him again after the decoy recovered from the tumble. he just rolled with it. Very cool. I was a little confused and slightly annoyed by the heel work though. Arent the front legs of the dogs supposed to be even or relatively even with the handlers legs for it to be a proper heel? Seemed to me the dog was more out in front of his handler having to dance a bit to keep looking back and still stay mostly on track.

I ask because thats what i've learned is a proper heel, is the dogs front legs being even with the handlers legs.

i like Javir! he's one bouncy boy. That last hold i think its called where he just freezes and stares the decoy down... that was pretty amusing actually.

cliffson1 · 10-11-2011, 08:14 AM

I could take that dog and convert him to PSD in heartbeat....really like what I see. His sire is known for producing strength in temperament.

10-10-2011, 11:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Castlemaid Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern British Columbia Posts: 9,089	Woah!!! The dog never even let go! __________________ Lucia Keeta BH, OB1, TR1, AD (HOT) Rottweiler/Hairy Dog mix?? Shelter rescue Gryffon Vom Wildhaus BH, OFA Good (HOT) "Bites Through the Sleeve" Cuddlebug, b: Mar 2009

10-10-2011, 11:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
ShenzisMom Master Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brampton, ON Posts: 839	It looks like the dog grabbed the decoys leg and they went tumbling. Hope they both were okay! That GSD should see a chiropractor... __________________ -Cassie Handler For: Shenzi: Female GSD Zira:Female Dobermann

10-11-2011, 12:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
BlackthornGSD Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central Virginia Posts: 1,099	Did you watch a little further in where the dog kind of loses his guarding bark and lets out a "woowoowoofwoo" while guarding? (around 1:40, I think) My read on it is that he was a little shook up by the tumble and then the decoy continued to press him hard. The dog had to kind of regroup and wasn't sure what was going on. His tail is bushed out and it's wagging back and forth a lot, in what I consider to be a bit of insecurity. The routine goes on and it's all familiar and so he starts getting a bit pissed at the decoy. He does a nice courage test. I also like how he really is pulling on the sleeve, not just along for the ride. I'd say this is a dog who works largely out of his prey drive (and I bet that that is encouraged and is mostly what he does in training) and he finds himself pushed over into defense for a bit and is a bit uncomfortable working in defense. But he rebalances himself and carries on without totally losing his cool. Really, just the tail and the bark show how he's trying to figure out what's going on here. A nervy dog wouldn't have been able to handle the decoy intensity and pressure after being shook up like that. A dog who was used to that type of work and/or to working out of defense or with a lot of fight drive would probably have gotten more pissed at the decoy and wouldn't have been as shaken up (and wouldn't have had to regroup). On the other hand, that dog might have not outed at some point or might have started chewing or moving on the grip--because the dog was driven up by the tumble and would have seen it as an escalation of the fight. Nice pedigree on this dog, though: SG, ED NORMAL ZW 78 Kinski vom Heidhof - German Shepherd Dog __________________ Christine Blackthorn Working German Shepherds

10-11-2011, 03:01 AM	#9 (permalink)
KZoppa Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Maryland kinda missing CO Posts: 13,832	very impressive! i dont even think the thought crossed his mind to let go and get him again after the decoy recovered from the tumble. he just rolled with it. Very cool. I was a little confused and slightly annoyed by the heel work though. Arent the front legs of the dogs supposed to be even or relatively even with the handlers legs for it to be a proper heel? Seemed to me the dog was more out in front of his handler having to dance a bit to keep looking back and still stay mostly on track. I ask because thats what i've learned is a proper heel, is the dogs front legs being even with the handlers legs. i like Javir! he's one bouncy boy. That last hold i think its called where he just freezes and stares the decoy down... that was pretty amusing actually. __________________ The more people I meet and talk to,the more I love my dogs and their intelligence. www.krystalscollarcreations.weebly.com Riley GSD/BC 1/10/05 Zena GSD 6/1/03 Shasta GSD 5/5/10 Last edited by KZoppa; 10-11-2011 at 03:08 AM.

10-11-2011, 12:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
carmspack Knighted Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario - Posts: 3,325	the dog did not grab the decoys leg . He was secure on the sleeve and never let go .

10-11-2011, 08:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
cliffson1 Knighted Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,929	I could take that dog and convert him to PSD in heartbeat....really like what I see. His sire is known for producing strength in temperament.

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