Training yesterday....

WarrantsWifey · 08-29-2011, 05:25 PM

So today was the first day of biting the sleeve with Gabor, the first bite was solid, great. The second and third, not so much. This video is of the second bite. Were not keeping him on the sleeve, not gonna push it.

Bite two, not good enough. He is going for the AD and Breed Survey in November. On the way to getting his titles and it's so exciting!! It's a long road, but a fun road none the less.

Killian, dog on right, of course!

Training Aug. 29 2011 - YouTube

WarrantsWifey · 08-29-2011, 05:39 PM

Oh yea, I am taking Killian all the way to his ScHh III, so now matter how long it takes to lay the groundwork down, I'm fine with that!!

Can't rush perfection!!

onyx'girl · 08-29-2011, 05:59 PM

Have you ever held the line instead of his being back-tied? Where are you during this?
He may have more in him with you in the picture, praising him.

WarrantsWifey · 08-29-2011, 06:03 PM

I am behind the camera, I come to praise him when I'm called in. I stand just five feet off against the tree line. When he calls me in I go over and get under him.... I go in for the "out" too.

onyx'girl · 08-29-2011, 06:13 PM

Why is he still backtied? Just asking, I know we do it now and then but usually the handler is still with the dog(unless the dog is so handler sensitive that it won't focus on the helper)

WarrantsWifey · 08-29-2011, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onyx'girl

Why is he still backtied? Just asking, I know we do it now and then but usually the handler is still with the dog(unless the dog is so handler sensitive that it won't focus on the helper)

I don't have that answer..... Hmmm..... LOL! I don't have the ability to hold him really well, and he takes me off my feet... Maybe that has something to do with it? I'm not 100% sure, but if Sue sees this thread I'm sure she can explain why..... The ONE question you ask and I don't know the answer too, go figure!

I know almost everything else!!

Haha!!!

Smithie86 · 08-29-2011, 10:35 PM

Dog is not handler sensitive at all.

If the dog is backtied - he has to deal with everything on his own. No backup. No owner behind him creating a safety net.

WarrantsWifey · 08-29-2011, 10:44 PM

Thanks Sue!!!!

onyx'girl · 08-29-2011, 10:46 PM

Thanks for the reply Sue.
I've seen a couple dogs(mals/dutchies) that are very handler sensitive so are backtied to learn to work independently.

Killian looks confident in the video, regardless. I was just curious as to why Victoria wasn't with him.... For a young dog, I would think a bit of handler praise and encouragement would be positive re-enforcement, not so much as a safety net, more as a confidence builder.

Smithie86 · 08-29-2011, 11:01 PM

Killian was fine and no issue with the helper or me walking by a few times right next to him, when he was engaged on the sleeve.
Gabor adjusts training, based on what is needed. Too many times, people (general term) result to building that safety net, so you do not see how the dog really is. Victoria would step in for the praise, etc based on what was being done.

I did this in CA and when in Europe as well. When I moved here, everyone was just doing the holding.

08-29-2011, 05:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
onyx'girl Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: SW, MI Posts: 17,611	Have you ever held the line instead of his being back-tied? Where are you during this? He may have more in him with you in the picture, praising him. __________________ Jane~ Kept by Onyx, Kacie and Gideon v Wildhaus aka Karlo

08-29-2011, 06:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
onyx'girl Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: SW, MI Posts: 17,611	Why is he still backtied? Just asking, I know we do it now and then but usually the handler is still with the dog(unless the dog is so handler sensitive that it won't focus on the helper) __________________ Jane~ Kept by Onyx, Kacie and Gideon v Wildhaus aka Karlo

08-29-2011, 10:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
Smithie86 Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Nashville, TN and Budapest HU Posts: 3,810	Dog is not handler sensitive at all. If the dog is backtied - he has to deal with everything on his own. No backup. No owner behind him creating a safety net. __________________ Sue www.k9imports.com V KK1 Molinari Enzo SCH3,IPO3,VK3,FH(WUSVx3, FCIx4) HOT KK1 Frodo v Biezenhoeve SCH3,IPO3,HPO3 (WUSVx2, FCIx2)HOT KK1 Tarnoki-Felvigyazo Quamatz SCH3 (HOT), KK1 Griff v Tajgetosz SCH3(BHOT)

08-29-2011, 10:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
onyx'girl Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: SW, MI Posts: 17,611	Thanks for the reply Sue. I've seen a couple dogs(mals/dutchies) that are very handler sensitive so are backtied to learn to work independently. Killian looks confident in the video, regardless. I was just curious as to why Victoria wasn't with him.... For a young dog, I would think a bit of handler praise and encouragement would be positive re-enforcement, not so much as a safety net, more as a confidence builder. __________________ Jane~ Kept by Onyx, Kacie and Gideon v Wildhaus aka Karlo

08-29-2011, 11:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
Smithie86 Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Nashville, TN and Budapest HU Posts: 3,810	Killian was fine and no issue with the helper or me walking by a few times right next to him, when he was engaged on the sleeve. Gabor adjusts training, based on what is needed. Too many times, people (general term) result to building that safety net, so you do not see how the dog really is. Victoria would step in for the praise, etc based on what was being done. I did this in CA and when in Europe as well. When I moved here, everyone was just doing the holding. __________________ Sue www.k9imports.com V KK1 Molinari Enzo SCH3,IPO3,VK3,FH(WUSVx3, FCIx4) HOT KK1 Frodo v Biezenhoeve SCH3,IPO3,HPO3 (WUSVx2, FCIx2)HOT KK1 Tarnoki-Felvigyazo Quamatz SCH3 (HOT), KK1 Griff v Tajgetosz SCH3(BHOT)

08-29-2011, 05:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
WarrantsWifey Knighted Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,905	Oh yea, I am taking Killian all the way to his ScHh III, so now matter how long it takes to lay the groundwork down, I'm fine with that!! Can't rush perfection!!

08-29-2011, 06:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
WarrantsWifey Knighted Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,905	I am behind the camera, I come to praise him when I'm called in. I stand just five feet off against the tree line. When he calls me in I go over and get under him.... I go in for the "out" too.

08-29-2011, 10:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
WarrantsWifey Knighted Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,905	Thanks Sue!!!!

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