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Old 11-05-2013, 09:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I've noticed something in our 3 month old GS male that causes a little concern. When he has something in his mouth ie: a stone or small object that maybe swallowed... We get it out of his mouth. Tell him "NO" firmly . On a couple of occasions after removing the object , he snapped back. No aggressive behavior such growling it barring teeth- just a quick snap with his teeth . Is this a sign of aggressive behavior . We put our hands in his food fish when eating and move the dish away from him as well and no reaction other then " I still hungry" look on his face... This is done with toys and bone as well - to let him "know" these are things given to him. Should we be concerned about the snapping ?
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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When you are giving him food, or a bone, he should work for it(make him sit or whatever, nothing major for a puppy)....if that is your thing. When he is rewarded with it, then it is his to eat, and you should not be messing with it. If you constantly take it away or mess with it, it will create resource guarding.
As far as the inappropriate items you need to take away from him, teach him LEAVE IT and he should drop it. If he doesn't drop it, trade him for something so he won't get defensive.
Praise him when he drops it, most pups just need to learn, they don't know better so correcting them for what they don't know is unfair.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:16 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Work on trading rather then just taking. Give the dog a toy and play then offer another toy and praise when the dog redirects. Same thing with treats and food, give a treat (not something eaten quickly) and then offer a second treat and praise when they let go of the first and take the second.

Think about it from a human perspective, if you were eating a donut and someone just walked up and snatched it out of your mouth wouldn't you get upset? Dogs don't think like humans but they do understand some aspects of fairness. In the dog world if you have it in your mouth it's yours!

The more you work with the dog and teach them that them giving you something means that they get something even better in return the less chance they'll feel the need to guard. In fact they'll probably be bringing you things multiple times a day just to see if the object will be pleasing enough to get a reward.

It also lets them know that in the case of an emergency and you do have the snatch something away that it's ok because you're still going to give them something better in return.
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IMO, it's important to teach "drop it". You won't have any conflict getting their 'prize', or have to wrestle gross things out of their mouths this way.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:42 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Agree with all the advice given.

Quit putzing with your dog when he is eating.

With my pup, who is still a huge grabber if things inappropriate, at 9 mo, I always trade with something better. Now, if he picks up something bad, he loves paper, I can't tell him to " leave it" he will drop it and walk towards me for his treat. Waaaaaay better than trying to catch a dog playing "keep away" or growling.

Also remember baby puppies frequently throw temper tantrums, they growl and snap and talk back. It's normal. Stay firm, don't back away, give them a firm verbal correction, then reward right away with something they value.


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Old 11-05-2013, 12:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Just taking things without giving him anything better wont teach him not to guard them, it'll make you untrustworthy and give him more reason to guard. Yes, you want to be able to take away his food bowl or bone or whatever, but you teach him that by trading for better things or by putting your hand near his bowl to drop in MORE or BETTER food (if he's already nervous around his bowl, don't start with this step; it's a process learned over time) not by just taking things away unexpectedly for no reason.


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When he has something in his mouth ie: a stone or small object that maybe swallowed... We get it out of his mouth. Tell him "NO" firmly .
Why are you telling him "NO"? And when are you telling him "NO"? Is it when he picks up an object, or when you fish it out of his mouth, or when he snaps back?

In order for a command like "NO" to be understood, it has to be given at the moment he's doing the unwanted behavior, so that he knows what you're saying "no" to. If you're telling him "NO" while you fish the object out of his mouth, that's confusing for the pup.

I agree with the others--if he's picked up something you want him to spit out, trade him for something better, like a high-value treat or toy. Teach the "leave it" command, and practice.
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:38 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks everyone... I kept my post as short as possible. " leave it " is used in the manner you have suggested and he is being trained in the " it's your choice " reward system. Trades are done. The concern was with the snapping back- it makes sense for him to behave as the suggested post/ replies. "No" is now a non word , when it comes to training the big pup. Thanks again.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:56 PM   #9 (permalink)
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At his age, and in the situation you describe I wouldn't worry too much about the snapping back, it's probably just bratty puppy play. I would try to make it clear to the pup that snapping at hands is not appropriate behavior--perhaps that would be the time for a solid "NO", followed by an opportunity to earn a reward by performing an appropriate behavior like "sit".
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:22 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I had a post up very recently, about my pup. She's almost 13 weeks and I was worried about her "red flag" behaviour but it seems pretty normal the more I read. She talks back and nips and is a complete landshark. She has temper tantrums.... It can be unnerving because I wasn't expecting her to be quite so strong headed as a pup!

A flirt pole has been my saviour... It tuckers her out and it's how she learns "leave it" when she's 110% riled up.


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