I'm really not interested in having arguments online, so I won't be posting here much, but a few valid questions were raised, so let me try to address them:
People read it differently than I intended. My point wasn't that the e-collar stops all landshark behavior.
It isn't that I expected my dog to be out of the landshark phase in six months. It was that many people I respect taught me that you should be careful not to administer corrections to a dog prior to six months because you don't want to inhibit drive. I can assure you that this dog has plenty of drive, and gets along fine in the house. He does not live in a "world of No." I didn't get the collar to shock him into submission. I got it to stop dangerous behavior in a way that makes sense.
- Using a prong collar is more humane than using an e-collar.
If you honestly believe this, you either havn't ever looked at both corrections, or you are out of your ever-lovin' mind. Let me put a prong collar on you and give it one hard jerk, and you'll never do it to your dog again. It is a lot more inhumane than a simple nick with an e-Collar. I've done the e-collar on myself as a test. I wouldn't do the prong collar as a test in a million years.
- Why are you using 55 as a stim level. That's too high!
Anyone who says that is ignorant, and either did not read my OP, or can't read for comprehension past a third grade level. Let me walk you through this again: I started at a stim of 1. I would hit the nick button and watch for a reaction. When I got nothing, I moved it up 1 and tried again. This took several minutes, with lots of pauses in between. I got the reaction when I hit 55. The reaction, btw, was not a yelp, or a start or any of that. He simply looked down at the ground puzzled.
Let me repeat: at 54, there was no reaction at all
. At 55, he looked down at the ground. Telling me I should be at a stim of 20 just shows your total ignorance. Every dog is different. Some have thick fur... some have thin... some feel things easily, others don't. There is no "starting point" for an e-collar. When I read things like this, I know I am dealing with someone who really doesn't want to understand what is going on.
Finally, I am going to repeat the bottom line again for those who may have missed it: My pup's doing fine. He is the same as he has always been around me. This hasn't decreased his drive, made him skittish, or in any way changed our relationship -- except for one very important thing: he gets to do all sorts of fun things now.
Just today we went to a friend's house that has a farm where he was running around and having a great time -- something I would have never done before. He gets more walks now, more car rides, and generally has a better life. I also haven't nicked him in days -- because he changed his bad behavior.
You all act like I have some sniveling pup who is obeying out of fear. This is so far from the truth it is laughable.
As far as all of those who say: "Well, I have had dogs with high drive before, and I never needed an e-collar." This is snobbish at best and ignorant at worst. The e-collar doesn't have to be an admission that I failed as a trainer and a line of last resort. It is simply another tool. Is using a "gentle leader" harness a failure on the part of the owner? Or a prong collar?
And, as I said in my OP, my first GSD had high drive. He was the son of a Sch III father and a Sch II mother. Excellent lines. High Drive. He was great and easy to train. (Except for dog aggression, but that was something different.)
This guy is different. I thought Rook had a strong drive... but Ninja makes him look like a slacker. Dogs are different. If you can't believe that, than I really don't need to discuss anything with you any more because you have shown me what you truly are after here... and I'm not getting involved in it...