I can't imagine anyone on here so critical of using an e collar has actually used an e collar correctly. At our dogs working level I can barely feel the "shock". A yank of a flat collar certainly hurts more not to mention an actual prong. Our dog is not "damaged" by it. The holier than thou attitude by many on here is a little bit annoying. You are all such amazing trainers,happy?
I think its very frustrating when people come on here talking about how certain punishments are HARSH, or CRUEL!
in the wild, if these dogs got out of line, they would be BITTEN by the alpha, sometimes causing injury. A little shock, a prong collar or a smack on the nose, is NOT going to mentally harm the dog in ANY way. Constant bullying WILL cause the dog mental harm, but that is another issue, and not what this thread is about.
Positive re-enforcement is scientifically proven to be the best training method, you can not deny this, however, it can NOT fix all problems. A good trainer will use positive re-enforcement most of the time, including negative corrections when necessary.
Just like humans, some dogs just ARE that stubborn and need physical stimulus to correct their behaviour, saying you dont agree with that just "Because", is igorant and foolish.
I attend obedience class, run by a retired K9 trainer, and a local Shutzhund club and ALL of the trainers in both of those places, use primarily positive re-enforcement for training, but when the dogs step out of line, then these use either harsh leash corrections, or a prong collar. My dog is only a baby at the moment, so I am not using any of these methods, but when she is an adult, if she shows disobedience, then she will be corrected, in any of the ways I mentioned above INCLUDING an e-collar.
Again anyone who doesnt understand the methods used, and has a moral high ground on this issue is just ignorant.