7 month old peeing when scolded

[Smoktya]

Hi all,
recently Sarge (7 month old czech male) has been peeing when scolded. His is trained in basic obedience and doesn't actually get scolded too often, but he likes to play a little rough somtimes with the kids, so when i tell him "off" or "no", he starts peeing. Now i do have a deep voice so when i say it, you can definitely tell I'm not joking around, but by no means do I inflict any type of harm to him. My girl, Echo, doesn't have this problem, but since she is 18 months now, she rarely has to be told that stuff. Is this something he will grow out of, because I am getting a little annoyed?

[onyx'girl]

He is feeling intimidated by you big time. Do the kids ever stop his rough play, instead of having you step in?
Submissive peeing usually is outgrown, but many dogs that lack confidence will continue to do it after they mature.
I would not be annoyed by this, but work on my personal relationship with Sarge.
Strengthen your bond with him thru fun training/tug, etc.

Just because you don't inflict harm physically, your tone and presence alone can defeat his confidence.
I'd lighten up on him, redirect instead of correct.

[PaddyD]

He will outgrow it. Try to take a little of the edge off your scolding. His reaction suggests that he understands your mood and if you want less peeing you will have to moderate your reactions. Unfortunately, we have to adapt to our dogs' 'weaknesses' so that they can cope with living with us.

[MaggieRoseLee]

Originally Posted by PaddyD

He will outgrow it. Try to take a little of the edge off your scolding. His reaction suggests that he understands your mood and if you want less peeing you will have to moderate your reactions. Unfortunately, we have to adapt to our dogs' 'weaknesses' so that they can cope with living with us.

For our dogs that are a bit softer, THEY GET IT when we use much less to step in to give them a heads up on a behavior we want stopped.

You may just need to step between the dog/your kids to break up the crazy. Or just get his attention and call him out of the room to give him a treat.

[Smoktya]

thanks everybody for the information. He definitely doesn't lack confidence, but i guess i will have to cool down on my tone. I think sometimes i just get a little over-protective with the kids and want him to make sure he knows who the boss is around here. I love the little bugger and i am just trying to instill in him that certain things aren't tolerated. We already train and go for walks every-day, but i will make sure i put more play in the whole training thing and let everyone know how it goes. Thanks, Mike

[Smoktya]

Originally Posted by onyx'girl

He is feeling intimidated by you big time. Do the kids ever stop his rough play, instead of having you step in?
Submissive peeing usually is outgrown, but many dogs that lack confidence will continue to do it after they mature.
I would not be annoyed by this, but work on my personal relationship with Sarge.
Strengthen your bond with him thru fun training/tug, etc.

Just because you don't inflict harm physically, your tone and presence alone can defeat his confidence.
I'd lighten up on him, redirect instead of correct.

To be honest with you, when Sarge gets going, Sarge gets going. You know what I mean. He is from czech working lines (actually one of Cliff's breedings), his grandpa is Frankie Anrebri, along with a bunch of other distinguished dogs from Aritar Bastet. He is an all around wonderful dog, listens well, but it is hard for the kids to stop him when he gets going in full work mode. He does not intend to hurt anybody, but just his big clumsy self gets him in trouble. I just believe he doesn't know how big he is. My 18 month old Echo I thought was big, but he is as big as she is with a lot bigger bone, head, all that stuff. He absolutely loves my kids, lays with them all the time and can tolerate anything they dish out (and yes there are ground rules, and they respect him), no piggy-back riding, pinching, hitting. They are 12, 9 and 6, and never once has he done anything to actually harm them. He loves to play fetch with them with tennis balls and rolley balls, some tug,and he listens to them well, but sometimes he just doesn't stop and that is when I intervene. I will work on this with my kids, as they adore him, I just don't think they understand everything like I do. We will work more as a family with training (as my 12 year old son is really the only one who helps out most of the time). Things will work out and I will try a different tone with him and see how that goes. He definitely isn't afraid of me, I just think he knows he is in trouble and then pees. He is only 7 months old so we have a long life ahead of us. thanks everybody, i appreciate the input.

[onyx'girl]

You have an r in his kennel name, that is a typo, right?

[msvette2u]

I just think he knows he is in trouble and then pees.

No, that's not really how dogs work.
He does know, however, you are unhappy and he's appeasing you to avoid more "trouble".

Either he lacks confidence and you're shattering what's left, and/or he's extremely submissive.

As others said, do not "get irritated" because you could turn this into a lifelong problem.
And believe me, as a rescue, we've worked with dogs who were over 5yrs. of age and still tinkling out of fear/submission.

Can We Help You Keep Your Pet? Submissive Urination Great advice here.

[Smoktya]

Originally Posted by onyx'girl

You have an r in his kennel name, that is a typo, right?

thanks for letting me know. i had it wrong

[Smoktya]

Originally Posted by msvette2u

No, that's not really how dogs work.
He does know, however, you are unhappy and he's appeasing you to avoid more "trouble".

Either he lacks confidence and you're shattering what's left, and/or he's extremely submissive.

As others said, do not "get irritated" because you could turn this into a lifelong problem.
And believe me, as a rescue, we've worked with dogs who were over 5yrs. of age and still tinkling out of fear/submission.

Can We Help You Keep Your Pet? Submissive Urination Great advice here.

Thanks for the link. I have read a few of them and think I may try some things with my voice to hopefully make him think that i am not mad. His confidence is very high, the little bugger is always happy and is not easily intimidated. We have actually gone to a few schutzhund classes and if I had more time I would go as much as I could. I have been told that he is the fearless type with some of the testing they have done (believe me, if you met him, you would understand). My life just doesn't allow me to do that right now with the 3 kids and all their individual sports, as well as having a full time job. As I am writing this, i have just walked in the door and he couldn't be happier to see me. He also pees when this occurs as well, so according to the links, this hopefully is something that will just go away with age. I have a very confident dog on my hands, I just think either my voice was playing a role (obviously it was, but I don't scream, I just have a deep voice when i raise it). It isn't like he cringes with fear when this happens, he just pees. I will work on my voice raising and just make things more fun. We have a great relationship and I don't want people to confuse the fact that I am some type of abuser because I am not.