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**Lauri & The Gang** · 12-21-2012, 11:34 AM

Heat lamps can be found at a good farming store - like Farm n Fleet.

You can start handling the puppies now. Check out this link for information on Early Neurological Stimulation for puppies (aka SuperDog program):

Super Dog Program - Jane & Betty - YouTube

**Lauri & The Gang** · 12-21-2012, 11:35 AM

Also - most home improvement stores should have the parts for the heat lamp.

You want a ceramic socket for the bulb (plastic will melt) and you want a heat lamp bulb (like this:

Amazon.com: RED HEAT LAMP BR40 250 WATTS 5,000 HOURS LONG LIFE LIGHT BULB INDUSTRIAL GRADE INFRARED HEAT LAMP: Home Improvement

)

**Lauri & The Gang** · 12-21-2012, 11:38 AM

One last thing

Since Mom is eating for herself and 7 others you want to be sure you are feeding a high quality food.

Forget anything made by Purina or Iams. The stuff you want will cost more but it provides better nutrients and you will have less waste (from Mom).

Inova, Blue Buffalo, Solid Gold - those are good choices.

machop · 12-21-2012, 12:41 PM

An amazing post to read.

Good job OP and her husband. Please post more pictures if you got a chance.

BlackthornGSD · 12-21-2012, 06:12 PM

I don't like heat lamps for pups--I have an old heating pad that doesn't have an automatic shutoff and I put it under a towel where the pups can go lie on it if they are chilled. Some people recommend seedling grow mats --

Amazon.com: Hydrofarm MT10006 9-by-19-1/2-Inch Seedling Heat Mat: Patio, Lawn & Garden

Keep mom and pups out of drafts--create a "fort" around the whelping box/pen if need be, and keep the room temperature where she is above 70 degrees, if you can. I don't like to keep the room too warm, though, because that can lead to dehydration and make mom uncomfortable. Make sure mom feels safe and secure whereever she is. If she is restless, she may need more calcium. Yogurt, goat's milk, and cottage cheese can all be good calcium sources for mom. You can also give her Tums to help supplement her calcium. She will need and want to drink lots of water while she is nursing, so add water to her food and keep water accessible to her at all times. For the first 1-7 days, she may hardly move away from those pups--I've had bitches that I have to literally take by the collar and lead away from the pups to get them to go potty. After a few days, though, they'll be more comfortable going outside for short potty breaks. Do not play ball with mom during these periods, but do freely give her affection if she asks for it.

If a heat lamp is the only option, you can get a ceramic "bulb" that is used to warm reptile pens--it puts off heat but no light.

pinklady · 12-21-2012, 08:56 PM

He ended up getting a red heat lamp for reptiles.

Attaching a couple close-ups of two puppies that aren't sleeping by her. Do they look like typical shepherd puppies with the scrunchy face? I think it would be kinda cool to have a combo of boxer and shepherd, but I'm a bigger fan of shepherd puppies myself. Either way, will be fun to see them grow up.

BlackthornGSD · 12-21-2012, 09:24 PM

Don't look like pure GSD pups, but who knows about the boxer part.

If the puppies are spread out all over the area, they may be too not. If they're always tight together, they're probably too cold.

machop · 12-21-2012, 10:09 PM

They are so cute. Mixed-breed might be healthier and live longer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinklady

He ended up getting a red heat lamp for reptiles.

Attaching a couple close-ups of two puppies that aren't sleeping by her. Do they look like typical shepherd puppies with the scrunchy face? I think it would be kinda cool to have a combo of boxer and shepherd, but I'm a bigger fan of shepherd puppies myself. Either way, will be fun to see them grow up.

selzer · 12-21-2012, 10:36 PM

I think someone told me the red light isn't good for the eyes. and to use yellow or white. Have to google that. I am not sure if that is true or not.

Heat lamps are good so long as it is only in a corner of their area. For cupcake -- little singleton who really had a rocky start, I had some bags of fluid that I would nuke and then cover with a towel, and with a heat lamp over the top, and it would keep her warm enough.

When puppies pile up they are keeping themselves warm. When puppies spread out, they are usually a little too warm. Puppies cannot regulate their own temperature, but the will move toward or away from a heat source as needed.

Cupcake (she was one sick puppy) I used a thermometer to make sure the are was not too hot or cold:

**JakodaCD OA** · 12-22-2012, 07:56 AM

I'm not a fan of heat lamps either (having chickens

They can catch on fire quite easily,

At this age, the puppies probably can move to fast away from the heat source if they are getting overheated.

I'd make sure it's high up, so not to overheat them, and as one said, keep it in a corner to allow the puppies if they can, move away from it if it gets to hot.

Be careful with the lamp, again, fire can be an issue..I'm just paranoid about things like that

12-21-2012, 11:35 AM	#142 (permalink)
Lauri & The Gang Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: SouthEastern WI Posts: 13,745	Also - most home improvement stores should have the parts for the heat lamp. You want a ceramic socket for the bulb (plastic will melt) and you want a heat lamp bulb (like this: Amazon.com: RED HEAT LAMP BR40 250 WATTS 5,000 HOURS LONG LIFE LIGHT BULB INDUSTRIAL GRADE INFRARED HEAT LAMP: Home Improvement Amazon.com: RED HEAT LAMP BR40 250 WATTS 5,000 HOURS LONG LIFE LIGHT BULB INDUSTRIAL GRADE INFRARED HEAT LAMP: Home Improvement ) __________________ Lauri & The Raw Fed Gang Raw Dog Ranch Winnie CGC - Corgi Mix Chimanes Spice it Up Piquin (Kaynya) - Chinese Crested Nator von Triton HIC CGC (Mauser) - LC GSD Piquins Some Like it Hot (Spike) – Chinese Crested Piquins Too Hot To Handle - (Fuego) - Chinese Crested Piquins Wasabi (Sabi) - Chinese Crested Piquins Super Hot (Clark) - Chinese Crested Banzai, Cloe, Mocha - Felines Extraordinaire Neke, Tessa, Remi, Sadie, Riggs, Sasha, Tazer - DK, Mozart, Zoe - Gone but not forgotten

12-21-2012, 11:38 AM	#143 (permalink)
Lauri & The Gang Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: SouthEastern WI Posts: 13,745	One last thing Since Mom is eating for herself and 7 others you want to be sure you are feeding a high quality food. Forget anything made by Purina or Iams. The stuff you want will cost more but it provides better nutrients and you will have less waste (from Mom). Inova, Blue Buffalo, Solid Gold - those are good choices. __________________ Lauri & The Raw Fed Gang Raw Dog Ranch Winnie CGC - Corgi Mix Chimanes Spice it Up Piquin (Kaynya) - Chinese Crested Nator von Triton HIC CGC (Mauser) - LC GSD Piquins Some Like it Hot (Spike) – Chinese Crested Piquins Too Hot To Handle - (Fuego) - Chinese Crested Piquins Wasabi (Sabi) - Chinese Crested Piquins Super Hot (Clark) - Chinese Crested Banzai, Cloe, Mocha - Felines Extraordinaire Neke, Tessa, Remi, Sadie, Riggs, Sasha, Tazer - DK, Mozart, Zoe - Gone but not forgotten

12-21-2012, 06:12 PM	#145 (permalink)
BlackthornGSD Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central Virginia Posts: 1,426	I don't like heat lamps for pups--I have an old heating pad that doesn't have an automatic shutoff and I put it under a towel where the pups can go lie on it if they are chilled. Some people recommend seedling grow mats -- Amazon.com: Hydrofarm MT10006 9-by-19-1/2-Inch Seedling Heat Mat: Patio, Lawn & Garden Amazon.com: Hydrofarm MT10006 9-by-19-1/2-Inch Seedling Heat Mat: Patio, Lawn & Garden Keep mom and pups out of drafts--create a "fort" around the whelping box/pen if need be, and keep the room temperature where she is above 70 degrees, if you can. I don't like to keep the room too warm, though, because that can lead to dehydration and make mom uncomfortable. Make sure mom feels safe and secure whereever she is. If she is restless, she may need more calcium. Yogurt, goat's milk, and cottage cheese can all be good calcium sources for mom. You can also give her Tums to help supplement her calcium. She will need and want to drink lots of water while she is nursing, so add water to her food and keep water accessible to her at all times. For the first 1-7 days, she may hardly move away from those pups--I've had bitches that I have to literally take by the collar and lead away from the pups to get them to go potty. After a few days, though, they'll be more comfortable going outside for short potty breaks. Do not play ball with mom during these periods, but do freely give her affection if she asks for it. If a heat lamp is the only option, you can get a ceramic "bulb" that is used to warm reptile pens--it puts off heat but no light. __________________ Christine Blackthorn Working German Shepherds

12-21-2012, 08:56 PM	#146 (permalink)
pinklady Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 96	He ended up getting a red heat lamp for reptiles. Attaching a couple close-ups of two puppies that aren't sleeping by her. Do they look like typical shepherd puppies with the scrunchy face? I think it would be kinda cool to have a combo of boxer and shepherd, but I'm a bigger fan of shepherd puppies myself. Either way, will be fun to see them grow up. Attached Thumbnails

12-21-2012, 09:24 PM	#147 (permalink)
BlackthornGSD Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central Virginia Posts: 1,426	Don't look like pure GSD pups, but who knows about the boxer part. If the puppies are spread out all over the area, they may be too not. If they're always tight together, they're probably too cold. __________________ Christine Blackthorn Working German Shepherds

12-21-2012, 12:41 PM	#144 (permalink)
machop New Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 14	An amazing post to read. Good job OP and her husband. Please post more pictures if you got a chance.

12-21-2012, 10:36 PM	#149 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 20,811	I think someone told me the red light isn't good for the eyes. and to use yellow or white. Have to google that. I am not sure if that is true or not. Heat lamps are good so long as it is only in a corner of their area. For cupcake -- little singleton who really had a rocky start, I had some bags of fluid that I would nuke and then cover with a towel, and with a heat lamp over the top, and it would keep her warm enough. When puppies pile up they are keeping themselves warm. When puppies spread out, they are usually a little too warm. Puppies cannot regulate their own temperature, but the will move toward or away from a heat source as needed. Cupcake (she was one sick puppy) I used a thermometer to make sure the are was not too hot or cold: __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC & Babs, CD RA CGC HIC (not AKC) Heidi, RA CGC & Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC & Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly CGC & Bear Gretta Hepzibah Last edited by selzer; 12-21-2012 at 10:39 PM.

12-22-2012, 07:56 AM	#150 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 17,529	I'm not a fan of heat lamps either (having chickens They can catch on fire quite easily, At this age, the puppies probably can move to fast away from the heat source if they are getting overheated. I'd make sure it's high up, so not to overheat them, and as one said, keep it in a corner to allow the puppies if they can, move away from it if it gets to hot. Be careful with the lamp, again, fire can be an issue..I'm just paranoid about things like that __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

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