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Old 02-18-2009, 03:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How do all the breeders here feel about that? What if the dog turns out to be a great working stock, but went though a bout of pano. Just curious, all the articles i read on it say not to breed the dog. I figure this rule has to be broken or too many good dogs would be missed out on. The breeder i got my dog from has bred dogs that have had pano. Thanks.
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Old 02-18-2009, 03:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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please list the articles that you read that said don't breed a dog if it experienced pano.
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I'd also like to see those articles.

Pano is merely a stage some young dogs go through. It has no long term consequences.

The idea of not breeding a dog because it had pano as a youngster is ludicrious to me. With all the health and temperament issues prevalent in this breed, and many others, there are far more important things to focus on and use for breeding criteria than adolescent growing pains.
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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of course now that i post this the only one i can find mentions "screening" for carriers...which i am confused how they would do that if the consensus is confusion on whether it is genetic or not?

http://www.peteducation.com/article....2+1561&aid=466

I know i have read an internet article saying dogs with pano should not be used for breeding though, as it "may" be genetic. I didnt note the article sources or author of course. Ill try and find it.
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The idea of not breeding a dog because it had pano as a youngster is ludicrious to me.
Well said!
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Pano is not genetic in the way we think of genetic health issues. There is no "pano gene" that determines if a dog will get pano or not. Pano doesn't work that way. Also, since it's self limiting, has no long term affects, and goes away on it's own in time, I wouldn't even consider it a health issue. More of a temporary annoyance.

Pano is something that can occur in any mammal when they go through huge growth spurts during adolescents. It is in fact very common in human teenagers, particularly boys. It is not limited to dogs or to GSDs.

Growth rates can be genetic, in the sense that they often run in families. Some families tend to grow faster, others slower, some in spurts, others in more gradual rates. It's the fast, spurty growers who are most likely to experience pano. So yes, it can run in families because family members tend to have similar sets of genes governing how quickly they grow during adolescents. But it doesn't run in families because there's some common "pano gene".

Genes can affect growth rate, so I guess in that sense one could say pano is genetic in a very round-about way. But that would be very misleading as when something is considered genetic that means there is a gene that directly causes it and that is not the case here. The only relationship between genes and pano would be how the genes affect the growth rate, which in turn can lead to pano. And of course there are many non-genetic factors, such as diet, that also affect growth rate and can make a pup more or less likely to get pano.
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Originally Posted By: Chris WildPano is something that can occur in any mammal when they go through huge growth spurts during adolescents. It is in fact very common in human teenagers, particularly boys. .
One of my sisters had it. She was a small baby, but grew scarily fast and spent a lot of time sore from "growing pains".
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Question for the breeders - I never bothered to tell Otto's breeder that he has it becuase it's not genetic. Should I?

At 9 months old, it's like fair warning has just been issued - incoming growth spurt. ( don't get too big, pupper )
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I had those darn "growing pains" a lot when I was a kid. It sucks! I think it was due to me being a bottomless pit when it came to food.
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i have pains now. it must be growing old pains. the pain, the pain never stops. well it does stop but that's no fun either

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