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Where did the term 'civil' come from?

In another thread, people were wondering how the term 'civil' came about to describe a dog that has active fight/defense drives and will engage for real came about. Have to admit I've wondered about it myself. Anyone know?

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Thanks for the spin-off thread, Castlemaid. I'm subbing for updates!

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I have always wondered this too! Looking forward to hearing some insight!

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I think civil could be prey or defense. A dog could bite for real with prey or defense depending on the situation. Read it somewhere on another GSD forum.

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I *think* it comes from the fact that the dog is willing to bite someone with no bite suit/bite sleeve on - an ordinary citizen, or civilian - as opposed to someone in law enforcement or the military.
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Possibbly relating to civil service. I have a friend who is a retired college English professer. If he can't tell me outright, he'll know where I can look.

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In Germany we use the term Zivil (short term for Zivilisten which means citizens) instead of Civil.

I believe the term might be a translation out of Zivil. Zivilisten (Citizens, not Uniformed People working under the military, police etc.) is the word for regular people, like you and me. If a dog goes for Zivilisten, no sleeve or anything else, he's Zivil.
If somebody says "Der ist auf Zivil trainiert" ("He's trained to be civil") that means that the dog is going for regular people, not the bite suit. Zivilisten (citizens).
So I do believe that it is coming out of the civil defense terminology.

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In Germany we use the term Zivil (short term for Zivilisten which means citizens) instead of Civil.

I believe the term might be a translation out of Zivil. Zivilisten (Citizens, not Uniformed People working under the military, police etc.) is the word for regular people, like you and me. If a dog goes for Zivilisten, no sleeve or anything else, he's Zivil.
If somebody says "Der ist auf Zivil trainiert" ("He's trained to be civil") that means that the dog is going for regular people, not the bite suit. Zivilisten (citizens).
So I do believe that it is coming out of the civil defense terminology.
I'm betting this is the true history of this use.

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Very interesting Mrs.K! Thanks for the info!

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It's an intrusion of sport into police service dog training. It is a term used to describe a dog that will bite without protection. It wasn't used in the PSD arena until sport became very wide spread.


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