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post #11 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-01-2011, 09:58 AM
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well how to say it -- you probably have two pets.

The dog has demonstrated, and who knows how many other times that went unnoticed because you weren't watching, that the nerve base is not there. A tracking seminar should be no more worrisome than a walk in a park , and a golf course is "boring" where most people go to sooth their frayed nerves , another walk in the park.
There really isn't a lot of pressure for the dog to contend with.
There should not have been ANY nervy dogs at the seminar , not for k9 potentials .

have a look at this blog showing Blast (ready for his urban tracking ) and young Elle/Kira only 8 months old Birch-Bark Hill

some of the prep work Birch-Bark Hill: 7/31/11 - 8/7/11

hide games Birch-Bark Hill: 6/26/11 - 7/3/11

showing the dog on a school bus with kids, and on moving objects in the hardware , still with the burning desire to search Birch-Bark Hill: 8/7/11 - 8/14/11

Charging and lunging are not indicators of confidence , often the opposite

There is a great deal that goes in to the selection of a potential service dog.

There is a great deal that goes in to the raising of a potential service dog.

I don't know where you got your puppy from or what the lines are , and it really does not matter , as only the dog that you have matters for the evaluation.

I assume the breeder has no prior experience in having produced or having selected a young dog suitable for service.

That the pup had some working dogs on his fathers side means little. I might look at the pedigree and see none. I might look at the pedigree and see anonymous dogs close up followed by some dogs with SchH (1,2,or 3) which even german show lines have.
SchH titles unfortunately are not a guarantee for much, anymore, not when people practice for the longest time for a CGC (not sch h related) or the BH, the most minimal basic temperament tests which should be done improtu. Not when dogs that pass BH and go to trial and get titles break the down stay to attack another dog while in trial and not when dogs having those qualifications are out of control and take bad bites in totally unwarranted situations such as in a parking lot , innocent person.

There is a great deal in raising that pup which goes beyond a niz pup for the home.

Life is not a pampered pet with multiple handlers .
You have to provide opportunities that throw the pup into a wide variety of environments and situations . NOT to condition the dog . To observe the dog. To find the flaws. You are always looking for the achilles heels , the weak points and when you find them you reject the dog and reconsider the rest of his life. The dog has to have the wherewithall even as a young dog to go forward with confidence or if , due to age, that "moment" have an almost instantaneous recovery , show resilience , and the next time not show any problem or hesitation. This is only the youngest of dogs.

Raising two dogs in the household not ideal for a service dog.

Your dog has not been confronted with threat yet , so maybe that is a test that you can set up . Have one of your officers meet with you somewhere without having any contact with the dog. Set it up so you are in an open space and your friend , the bad guy, is out of view, behind the parked vehicle, behind a building. Arrange to have a signal like you turning the other way or raising your right arm to have him stop . No point in blowing the dog away - yhou only want to see what he will do . Suddenly he comes out running towards you yelling. Allow enough distance for the dog to spot him without him being right on top of you. What does the dog do. When does he see him. Does he go forward . Does he hackle. What is his tail doing, his ears, his eyes.

If all goes well and the dog is able to stand up to this pressure then the man goes running right by you , back in a circle to where he came from and then you can either use the dog to find him on leash , or stay where you are with ample praise , while the man goes into the car and goes away.

no friendly contact with the person. You can do all your post game break down later without the dog.

If you feel the dog genuinely has ability then keep exposing him to situations so that you can see him act or react . Don't have the two pups together.
Treat him as a working dog and not as a pet .

Also at one year of age it is a good time to check those hips and elbows with an x ray. Good orthopedics are another hurdle. No hips , no dog .

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post #12 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-04-2011, 08:58 AM
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Truthfully, if he was a candidate for Patrol/Scent work......you wouldn't have these doubts from behavoirs you have seen. Just put my sixth consecutive dog into a police academy last week that was raised from puppy....from 8 weeks to 20 months he was always strong in all aspects. Pups are a crapshoot, but many can look at pups and have a good feel. Like their is a difference in a dog that's young and unexposed to something and not doing it first time and a dog that stands shaking when asked to do something first time. Good evaluators can see the difference. I now have another 6 month pup that I have raised from 8 weeks and he is very confident in new things and once shown will get the hang of something he doesn't know in heartbeat. Always ready to try...I think he will be fine. But the best way to acquire police dog is getting an older tested puppy(between 1 year and 2 years) usually from sources that have already exposed the dog to many environmental elements.
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