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Old 12-27-2012, 09:06 AM   #41 (permalink)
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OP isn't going to spay the female. Her plans were to breed the dog at 2 years anyways..
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:40 AM   #42 (permalink)
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OP isn't going to spay the female. Her plans were to breed the dog at 2 years anyways..
Actually if you did a better job of readings what I wrote. I said I will be spaying her after 3 months. So in march. She was 8 and a half months when her and Zeus hooked up and yes he's about 3 months older than piper.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:49 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I got Piper at 12 weeks old..I wanted to breed Piper at 2 years old. Unfortunately she got caught early by Zeus my bfs pure gsd. My dad (who is a DVM and has had his own small animal clinic Kitchener, Ontario since 1979) said we could spay her and abort the pups but he said she would be fine with the size of her to deliver pups. My bfs dog is from one of his parents litter of gsd pups that they have been breeding for 25 yrs. So papered or non papered these pups are beautiful and will all be going to good homes. Vet checked dewormed everything you can except being paperd.
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You may have two temperamentally good dogs that got hooked up --- but they were not , are not . The mother , the most important was the shy dog that stayed at the back of the room against the wall. Both dogs run for cover when the vaccuum is in use so noise - sound sensitive , never mind gun fire test or conflict yelling . I am sure we have forum members whose dogs are a nuisance when they are trying to vaccuum because the dog will be actively engaged (in the way hampering progress) barking at the vaccuum and trying to catch the broom while it is going back and forth .

They are not tested in any way at all for temperament.

The male, Zeus coming from a family that has breeding gsd for 25 years , should have produced "something" noteworthy. The picture of Zeus shows poor conformation, not even particularly nice pigment . How in the world do you expect people spending money on improvements in breeding stock , ELIMINATING dogs that don't fit the criteria , test for hips , give GOOD food , when they don't even want to give their ailing or older dogs a proper end to life , opting to shoot them , all of them, because a bullet is cheaper than a vet appointment .
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First, Piper is a very pretty girl.

I'm glad she came thru the delivery without any problems and I'm glad you are going to spay her after she has raised this litter. I'm sure you are aware that there are many facets of breeding including the pedigree, temperament, etc. Have you thought about contacting a rescue for the puppies? They often have contracts you could use and could help you with picking good homes. They may even have already approved home that are looking for puppies. Are you prepared to take the puppies back at any age and time to rehome them? If you can get the puppies into a good rescue, they will have back up for life.
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Thanks. That's exactly what I was referring to.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:41 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I don't see sable in either parents? Is that mom in the 3rd picture? and again in the last picture (far right?) In the 3rd pic I , she looks like a mix, but may be cause she is wet? The last pic she looks like a purebred but I don't see sable in her at all.
Just out of curiosity, are you sure?

In this picture...



...her back and tail look pretty similar to my last GSD, the late and much missed and beloved Harley, who I know was a sable...



Even her chest area is more the same than different.

Granted, I think Harley was a much more handsome GSD, but...am I missing something?
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Typhoon , the quote you posted is not my words . Actually that was Jakoda
"a really gorgeous puppy,,but, I don't see sable in either parents? Is that mom in the 3rd picture? and again in the last picture (far right?) In the 3rd pic I , she looks like a mix, but may be cause she is wet? The last pic she looks like a purebred but I don't see sable in her at all.

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But being a virtual "house o'sables" CARMSPACK.com I would question the female being sable but the pup sure is
This is the best and first GSD I've ever had.
I got my girl Piper a few days before she turned 12 weeks old.

So here are some pics of her from 12 weeks to now at almost 11 months.
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she is a pretty dog .


regardless of whether the dam is sable or not , she has poor pigment - mask , nails , Your lovely female would be faulted on pigment , even sables can have fading pigment , nails should be hard and black not grey or brownish and not striped .

do you have pictures of your Harley's parents ?
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:54 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Your lovely female would be faulted on pigment , even sables can have fading pigment , nails should be hard and black not grey or brownish and not striped.
Actually, Harley was a male. He was the runt of the litter and always a little smallish and kind of feminine looking. And I know you're right about his pigment. He was AKC registered but completely American pet lines... and believe me, he had plenty of faults. But he was a sable. Pictures of him as a pup are all pre-digital, and I don't have a scanner, but he went through the typical sable pup transformation.

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No. I think there's one of his sire online somewhere, but I'd have to go dig the name out of the safe. But again, I'm not claiming him as anything other than sable, and an absolute sweetheart.
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Accidents happen, but a vet tech who's dad is a vet, should really know better about heat cycles, keeping females intact away from intact males and not even thinking about breeding dogs with no papers/no knowledge of background.
That's what I was thinking.

Piper'sgirl, I know you only want to talk about what bloodlines your dog may be, but face it--without any papers, knowledge or proof of her bloodlines, what you have is tantamount to a mixed breeding. Why did you want to breed this shy, unknown, unregistered dog at 2 years of age? There are already too many people doing this. I hope you have all the puppies spayed/neutered before placing them so that this cycle does not continue.
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