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#1 ·
This is a male pup from a very reputable breeder in US. He was exam with "abnormal gum" by vet on his first visit. I called the breeder told her the issue. She explained to me that it is "normal", gsds bite have to be scissor cut form. I have to agree with her by that point. But the true is the pup's gum is abnormal. The upper jaw is overshot over 1/2 inch. Please take a look at the picture and prove that vet and me are wrong. I spend $2750 for the pup, plus shipping and health certificate total was $3050. This is the pup that a reputable breeder so called "show quality".
 
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#31 · (Edited)
Please don't publish the breeders name it will end up being removed probably.

You've spent a bundle on this puppy that you shouldn't have, feel bad for you and for the puppy, I hope you can work it out.

I posted when you posted,,I would start getting documentation regarding the puppy and I don't think your offer of asking for the puppy price back or ship you another one is out of line. But it sounds like they don't want to deal in 'money'..:(
 
#32 ·
My vet told me to make sure the breeder I picked out would offer a replacement from a different litter or a cash refund in case of health problems. You wouldn't want a pup from the same litter if there's a genetic defect or health problem. The breeder we used does offer a money back guarantee, so I can't agree with her statement that they have the best return policy. Seems unreasonable that they expect you to pay for shipping. I think I'd get an attorney to write a letter
 
#33 ·
If you don't come to an agreement, I would suggest you create a website with the breeder's name, photos of the puppy, any vet papers and communications with the breeder so when other potential purchasers research the kennel, your experience will come up as well. It's annoying to see that a breeder is charging that much for a show quality puppy and this is what they send.
Just because the breeder has a "policy" doesn't mean they should be sending puppies with obvious faults and hoping the purchaser doesn't want to spend money to send them back.
One breeder I spoke to told me he would never sell a puppy as "show quality" unless it's showable immediately, not "might become showable later".
It's unreasonable to expect a purchaser, other than maybe an established breeder to be able to wait around for months, bonding with the puppy, to be able to send the dog back later if it turns out to be unshowable.
 
#34 ·
WOW...WOW...WOW...
Are there no other litters available?....are ALL "quality" puppies spoken for?
That size overbite will not correct without dental intervention.....(canine braces).
I'm sorry but the puppy is not "show or breed" quality.....nor should it ever be bred with that type of jaw problem.
A "little" overbite many, many times will correct itself when the puppy changes from puppy teeth to adult teeth.....but this situation is extreme.
They call it "parrot mouth" by many vets.

Being the #1 breeder (?).....I guess we all have different "definitions" of what it takes and means to be a reputable breeder........sure glad we're not #1.
*FWIW...not breeder trashing, just stating an opinion*.
 
#36 ·
What does the contract that you signed say about returns?

If you bought the puppy as a show prospect than that's what you should get. This is probably the biggest overbite I've ever seen.

I'd make sure your breeder knows very clearly that you want to exchange for the next available show prospect. Give her the chance to correct her mistake.

Selling a show prospect puppy with an overbite like that is just unacceptable in my book. It's kind of like selling a PPD prospect puppy that's afraid of it's own shadow. Same idea.
 
#37 ·
Most breeders do state that shipping is the responcibility of the buyer. Send the puppy back, your shipping costs are less than what you paid for the pup. Hopefully the next puppy is show quality.
 
#39 ·
Finally, after several back and forth emails. The breeder now agree to take the puppy back and refund me $2750.
" Feel free to send your puppy back at anytime.
You can send the puppy back to me COD."
I got a question. How do I ship a puppy with an airline that would do COD?
 
#40 ·
I think it's pretty crappy to say the buyer is responsible for shipping charges when the puppy was VERY clearly misrepresented.

How is it right to say a breeder is in the right for shipping a misrepresented puppy and then saying "tough luck, it's on you now." This isn't a minor problem. This breeder had to have known about this problem and shipped pup anyway. How is this any different than sending the wrong gender, etc...would that still be on the buyer?
 
#41 ·
I recommended based on my experience which has been great. I have 3 from that beeder. I never said they were the #1 breeder, though you may be saying they stated that not me.

That does look like an overbite. Did you send that picture so she could see it?

All I can say is I've always had great support from her.
 
#46 ·
So, if you send the puppy back, what will the breeder do with it? Will he at least be given to a good home as a "pet"? Just curious what's gonna happen to the little feller :(
 
#47 ·
I imagine the puppy will be a nice pet quality dog for a family, hopefully she discounts the price to cover the dental intervention that is certain to be needed. I don't blame the purchaser, if I paid that much for a "show quality" prospect and received that puppy, I would be mad, there is no way to know if any puppy will actually grow up to be a top show dog, but this one couldn't even get into the ring at all with that bite.
 
#49 ·
When I purchased my Skye Terrier it was from a very responsible breeder. I got him BECAUSE his bite was waaaay off.

I can't see the pictures here at work but I wouldn't be surprised if the puppy's bite is the same as my Dodger's was.

Dodger was sold as Pet quality because of the bite. The breeder said the bites can change SOME but told me his wouldn't correct itself enough.

By the time he was about 7 months old his bite was PERFECT. In fact, I showed him in AKC because he was such a nice specimen of the breed.

Now, not every dog that has a bad bite will self-correct ... but there IS a chance.

I would ask the breeder of the GSD pup how many other pups have they seen, with this bad of a bite, turn out with a normal bite by the time they were mature.
 
#52 ·
do you have a phone number? I"d try calling them and speak to them personally,,tell them your going to set up the flight etc..

I'm so sorry this is just so sad, I'm sure your attached to that puppy:(
 
#53 ·
I'd absolutely use the phone for communicating. If she won't take your calls, that really shows her integrity.
I agree, what a sad situation.
 
#57 · (Edited)
He posted that the same day as he posted here, May 15...I still wonder why there was never an update on either thread. I hope the breeder did the right thing and took the pup back with full refund/shipping included. It was a sale that was fraudulent, IMO. Especially since the pup was sold as a show prospect.
 
#58 ·
He posted that the same day as he posted here, May 15...I still wonder why there was never an update on either thread. I hope the breeder did the right thing and took the pup back with full refund/shipping included. It was a sale that was fraudulent, IMO. Especially since the pup was sold as a show prospect.
Oh okay. I get it now. I've been watching to see if this ever got updated I wanted to know how it ended.
 
#59 ·
Over bites are NOT uncommon in many working lines and much of the time will NOT affect the adult dog or cause a health problem.

I know this because I was concerned about Bretta when her adult teeth were coming in and went to see and EXPENSIVE specialist! This specialist said she had seen this same issue crop up in many of the POLICE dogs she saw in the area and MOST of the time the adult teeth fixed themselves as they grew out. She also recommended I massage the canines out a few times a day as they were coming in to possibly help them grow in right.

The WORST thing that can happen (and is rare) is if the canines do NOT grow outwards but instead inward and poke holes into the upper palate of the dogs mouth. This did not happen to Bretta, she is now just fine.



 
#60 ·
The breeder did take the pup back and it was never in question.
This guy made a big stink out of nothing because he didn't get a response in a minute and half.

The breeder actually went above the warranty which is puppy replacment and gave the guy his money back because he was such an unpleasant person, to put it politely. He also harrassed the person that made the recommendation.
 
#64 ·
The breeder did take the pup back and it was never in question.
This guy made a big stink out of nothing because he didn't get a response in a minute and half.

The breeder actually went above the warranty which is puppy replacment and gave the guy his money back because he was such an unpleasant person, to put it politely. He also harrassed the person that made the recommendation.
Nothing? I'd love to hear your definition of "nothing". Because those pictures are far from "nothing".
And a big woohoo for the breeder for going above the warranty. :rolleyes2: In my opinion, that breeder had no business selling that dog as show quality.
That is just reprehensible.
You wouldn't believe how unpleasant I would be if that happened to me. :D
 
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