What is it about PSA...?

mycobraracr · 04-19-2013, 04:05 PM

What is it about PSA that makes it more difficult for a GSD than other bite sports? Or what is the reason there isn't a GSD that has achieved a level 3? Is it just because there isn't that many GSD's doing it?

hunterisgreat · 04-25-2013, 02:57 PM

I'd imagine its a pressure issue? Maybe I'll try to be the first lol

mycobraracr · 04-25-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hunterisgreat

I'd imagine its a pressure issue? Maybe I'll try to be the first lol

Hmm... Let me know how it goes. I want to try too.

Witz · 04-29-2013, 05:09 PM

The sport trends towards Mals because they are not the thinkers that GSD's are. The level 3 trial is one in which you are given the routine the day of the trial. It involves multiple attackers coming from various directions and various changes to the obedience routine. The handler and the dog must react and choose the targeted helper as there may be 3 helpers in bitesuits coming at the team. On the obedience side, you have to do a routine that may not have been practiced together as a whole. GSD's are capable of participating but certainly excel in very routine driven sports. I just got involved with my GSD in PSA as having participated in Schutzhund, I just wanted to try something different. Most who participate will tell you a Mal will just do what's asked whereas a GSD may think, "have we done this before". At least that is my best understanding. Good Luck.

mycobraracr · 04-29-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Witz

The sport trends towards Mals because they are not the thinkers that GSD's are. The level 3 trial is one in which you are given the routine the day of the trial. It involves multiple attackers coming from various directions and various changes to the obedience routine. The handler and the dog must react and choose the targeted helper as there may be 3 helpers in bitesuits coming at the team. On the obedience side, you have to do a routine that may not have been practiced together as a whole. GSD's are capable of participating but certainly excel in very routine driven sports. I just got involved with my GSD in PSA as having participated in Schutzhund, I just wanted to try something different. Most who participate will tell you a Mal will just do what's asked whereas a GSD may think, "have we done this before". At least that is my best understanding. Good Luck.

Huh! Thanks for the insight. I wish there was PSA near me. I really want to check it out. I guess it would really affect those that pattern train. I don't but then again my trainer did PSA for a bit so maybe that's something they picked up from it.

**Liesje** · 04-30-2013, 08:58 AM

Honestly it might be a popularity issue. I wouldn't know where to go to train PSA but there are 8 or so SchH clubs within a 3 hour drive from me (and three of these clubs also have people who have done SDA and are decoys or judges hence why I've done that too).

mycobraracr · 04-30-2013, 10:36 AM

Yup! That's a good point too.

BritneyP · 05-04-2013, 02:17 PM

It is much less a popularity issue as it is other "problems"..

Witz summarized it extremely well!

I have seen several GSDs over the years compete in PSA and have only seen fewer than I can count on one hand that can withstand the environmental distractions and pressure from the decoys at the upper levels.

I certainly hope that changes and always hope more people with GSDs try it. I have a dog in my club I believe can do it ( he is SchH3, PSA1) and I have a young dog I will compete with after we are done with IPO

**Liesje** · 05-04-2013, 05:53 PM

Maybe it's a regional thing then. Here I've had dozens of people ask me about PSA and I don't know what to tell them. I have no idea who's doing it or where they would go. I'd love to try myself! Honestly I think just as many people ask me about PSA as Schutzhund any other sport but if no one's doing it and there are no good clubs.... (same thing with SDA)

TheJakel · 05-09-2013, 02:27 AM

Hi all,

This thead leads into a question I was going to post. I'm 5 weeks away from picking up my pup and already have a recomendation for Schutzhund club from my trainer who I plan on contacting in the near future. I'm also intrested in PSA, I've been to the PSA site and can't find any club lists. Does a list exist? That site is horrible.
I see there is a trial in Maryland on the 1st of June but thats also when I'll be traveling to pick up my new pup.

This same trainer had suggested 10 years ago when I had first started obediance with my Pitbull to check out PSA but he's lost contact with many of the members and doesn't know where to send me now. I live in Maryland and will travel to NOVA, and PA to train.

Back to the Shutzhund and this can be ignored if its "cross contaminating" and my feelings wouldn't be hurt. I was reffered to Mid Atlantic Schutzhund club, any other suggestions? for the same MD, NOVA, PA region? I live close to Baltimore.

04-19-2013, 04:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
mycobraracr Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Posts: 1,373	What is it about PSA...? What is it about PSA that makes it more difficult for a GSD than other bite sports? Or what is the reason there isn't a GSD that has achieved a level 3? Is it just because there isn't that many GSD's doing it?

04-25-2013, 02:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
hunterisgreat Knighted Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,383	I'd imagine its a pressure issue? Maybe I'll try to be the first lol __________________ Hunter, USA trial helper, Charleston Working Dog Club Training Helper Beschützer des Jägers v. Sportwaffen, HOT, IPO1, AD, CGC Katya v. Hügelblick, HOT, IPO2, CGC SG Aska v. Ketscher Wald, 2 x SchH3, Kkl 1

04-29-2013, 05:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Witz Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 140	The sport trends towards Mals because they are not the thinkers that GSD's are. The level 3 trial is one in which you are given the routine the day of the trial. It involves multiple attackers coming from various directions and various changes to the obedience routine. The handler and the dog must react and choose the targeted helper as there may be 3 helpers in bitesuits coming at the team. On the obedience side, you have to do a routine that may not have been practiced together as a whole. GSD's are capable of participating but certainly excel in very routine driven sports. I just got involved with my GSD in PSA as having participated in Schutzhund, I just wanted to try something different. Most who participate will tell you a Mal will just do what's asked whereas a GSD may think, "have we done this before". At least that is my best understanding. Good Luck. Last edited by Witz; 04-29-2013 at 05:11 PM.

04-30-2013, 08:58 AM	#6 (permalink)
Liesje Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 16,233	Honestly it might be a popularity issue. I wouldn't know where to go to train PSA but there are 8 or so SchH clubs within a 3 hour drive from me (and three of these clubs also have people who have done SDA and are decoys or judges hence why I've done that too). __________________ Liesje & Nikon vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs

05-04-2013, 02:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
BritneyP Master Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Central North Carolina Posts: 729	It is much less a popularity issue as it is other "problems".. Witz summarized it extremely well! I have seen several GSDs over the years compete in PSA and have only seen fewer than I can count on one hand that can withstand the environmental distractions and pressure from the decoys at the upper levels. I certainly hope that changes and always hope more people with GSDs try it. I have a dog in my club I believe can do it ( he is SchH3, PSA1) and I have a young dog I will compete with after we are done with IPO __________________ Cruiser - PDC-SD, CGC, TDInc, Herding Bacardi - ZVV1, IPO2 Gitta - SchH1, Kkl1 Ferra - SchH3, Kkl2 Amalka - SVV1, ZM Maik - PH1 Ginte - SchH3, Kkl2 Brix - future IPO star

04-30-2013, 10:36 AM	#7 (permalink)
mycobraracr Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Posts: 1,373	Yup! That's a good point too.

05-04-2013, 05:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
Liesje Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 16,233	Maybe it's a regional thing then. Here I've had dozens of people ask me about PSA and I don't know what to tell them. I have no idea who's doing it or where they would go. I'd love to try myself! Honestly I think just as many people ask me about PSA as Schutzhund any other sport but if no one's doing it and there are no good clubs.... (same thing with SDA) __________________ Liesje & Nikon vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs

05-09-2013, 02:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
TheJakel New Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 2	Hi all, This thead leads into a question I was going to post. I'm 5 weeks away from picking up my pup and already have a recomendation for Schutzhund club from my trainer who I plan on contacting in the near future. I'm also intrested in PSA, I've been to the PSA site and can't find any club lists. Does a list exist? That site is horrible. I see there is a trial in Maryland on the 1st of June but thats also when I'll be traveling to pick up my new pup. This same trainer had suggested 10 years ago when I had first started obediance with my Pitbull to check out PSA but he's lost contact with many of the members and doesn't know where to send me now. I live in Maryland and will travel to NOVA, and PA to train. Back to the Shutzhund and this can be ignored if its "cross contaminating" and my feelings wouldn't be hurt. I was reffered to Mid Atlantic Schutzhund club, any other suggestions? for the same MD, NOVA, PA region? I live close to Baltimore.

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