Psa

Tim Connell · 03-02-2011, 08:24 AM

I had a couple of PM's with questions about PSA, and PSA dogs. I figured I would post some links and info, since I don't always have a ton of time to respond with the amount of information necessary to answer the questions.

I think you should watch some PSA videos of the PDC, PSA 1, 2, and 3's, and judge for yourself. Go on YouTube, and watch some of the top competitors. Janet and Zuko, Moe and Phoenix, Ariel and Blitzen, and Hill and Rex, and many others. Take a look, and see what you think.

Here are a few links to get you started:

Andy and Bishop, (I figured I better start with a nice GSD, a really nice young dog/handler team, in his first trial. A very nice dog, with excellent training, from my local area.) PDC :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ1V4mQbCQo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ1V4mQbCQo

Ariel and Blitzen, Obedience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVMr_...eature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVMr_...eature=related

Hill and Rex, Protection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux7He...eature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux7He...eature=related

Hill and Rex, Obedience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-xuVytOywU&NR=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-xuVytOywU&NR=1

Michelle and Zander, Obedience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzC7...eature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzC7...eature=related

Nocole and Chloe, Protection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2jeY...eature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2jeY...eature=related

Moe and his girl Phoenix, Protection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiSq4...eature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiSq4...eature=related

Arin and X, Protection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7u6...eature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7u6...eature=related

There's a cross section of some of the various levels.

As you can see, it involves a high level of OB, directionals, call offs, pressure and distractions by the decoy, and environmental distractions.

I like the concept of PSA, because although it is a sport, it does not involve any training that would be contrary to concepts useful to PP dogs or police dogs, which are my primary interest.

If you want to learn more about PSA, browse the PSA forum sometime: www.psak9forum.com

suden · 03-02-2011, 09:08 AM

Go Blitzen!!! She is out of my 1st Mal litter

) Makes a breeder proud to see one of their pups do so well-Ariel gets all the credit -she has done a great job training. She and Blitzen also worked for 11 months in Afghanistan-HRD missions.

Her dam-Roo is my Avatar

Vikki

cliffson1 · 03-02-2011, 09:44 AM

Nice videos, reminds me of training and dogs back in the day

G-burg · 03-02-2011, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Go Blitzen!!! She is out of my 1st Mal litter

) Makes a breeder proud to see one of their pups do so well-Ariel gets all the credit -she has done a great job training.

Really! Small world!

They've been out to train with our group.. Ariel, Hill and Mo.. Hill and Rex more-so.. Interesting watching the training and different scenarios they set up.. Definitely all about control..

Tim Connell · 03-02-2011, 11:51 AM

Dog world equals small world.

suden · 03-02-2011, 12:36 PM

~~~~Dog world equals small world. ~~~~~~

It sure does. We went to Ohio for the Nationals to watch. But Blitzen was to amped up in Protection(no out). Still was great to see her and all the other competitors.

Vikki

Tim Connell · 03-03-2011, 08:54 AM

@ Vikki : Very nice that you stay involved as a breeder in your dog's accomplishments. It's the right thing to do.

PSA has grown by leaps and bounds, and is going through an evolution of growth right now. It seems that a lot of people who sat back to see where it was going to go, are now getting involved. I don't think most people "on the outside" know the kind of drive, obedience, and environmental stability that is required. The best way to see what it is about is to see a trial live, for full effect.

I noticed at one of the last trials I attended up in Maine, there were a lot of people from other dog sports there to "check it out" (FR, Sch people mostly) some of which are now "crossing over". There is now a Sleeve Division for the PDC, the elementary level, which lends itself nicely to Sch dogs coming over, or younger dogs that have not yet transitioned to the suit.

Ace952 · 03-03-2011, 11:46 AM

PSA is very nice and I plan on doing it after my dog does SchH. The only thing I wish is that the OB was a little more tougher. I love the OB in SchH and wish that had that level of OB in PSA.

Tim Connell · 03-03-2011, 01:19 PM

I think part of the evolution has been tighter obedience, and I'd put any of the good dogs on par with a decent Sch dog...but I guess to level the playing field, we would have to add multiple decoys, and distractions

It's two separate animals..and tough to compare two sports that are on two completely different ends of the spectrum. Seeing an influx of sch dogs coming in will be good for the sport...the precision expected in sch is a good thing..and will raise the bar...conversely, when a sch dog crosses over, hopefully they rise to the occasion with suits, hidden sleeve on the carjack ,decoy pressure, and environmentals. Oh yeah, and sprinkle in call offs, redirects, multiple decoys, food refusal, and obstacles other than nicely painted jumps and walls...and all the other things that make psa unique.

Ace952 · 03-04-2011, 12:08 PM

Yes I think the OB is coming along but wish it had the SchH level of OB. With PSA being more about protection and biting and multiple attackers, etc you should see IMO better OB than in SchH. You have many PSA people saying that PSA is a "real" test of a dog and yada yada. A good PPD is only as good as his/her obedience.

I certainly agree. You can't compare the sports as they are totally different animals. Both with different goals and different mentalities. I look forward to doing it after a SchH title. The only problem is that being in AZ it is hard to practice and then travel somewhere to trial and with no west coast it makes it even more difficult. I love the scenarios and tests that are done.

I wish there were more PSA events around to see but of course all the dramam that went on kind of slowed things down but hopefully this year and next, things will pick up.

Andy Maly Vah (PSA1, SchH3, IPO3, PDK-9 (Ret.), CDX, RN, TC, TDI/CGC) is a great example of a SchH dog doing PSA. I know his owner/trainer and she can certainly say how the dogs that cross over will do. Not a easy thing by far.

03-02-2011, 09:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
suden Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: NC Posts: 273	Go Blitzen!!! She is out of my 1st Mal litter) Makes a breeder proud to see one of their pups do so well-Ariel gets all the credit -she has done a great job training. She and Blitzen also worked for 11 months in Afghanistan-HRD missions. Her dam-Roo is my Avatar Vikki

03-02-2011, 11:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tim Connell Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 176	Dog world equals small world. __________________ Valk Police K9/Explosive Detection Baghira Sch II kkl1 Makker CGC, BH, TT K9 in training Flasch FR, BH, TT www.vandesterke.com

03-03-2011, 08:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
Tim Connell Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 176	@ Vikki : Very nice that you stay involved as a breeder in your dog's accomplishments. It's the right thing to do. PSA has grown by leaps and bounds, and is going through an evolution of growth right now. It seems that a lot of people who sat back to see where it was going to go, are now getting involved. I don't think most people "on the outside" know the kind of drive, obedience, and environmental stability that is required. The best way to see what it is about is to see a trial live, for full effect. I noticed at one of the last trials I attended up in Maine, there were a lot of people from other dog sports there to "check it out" (FR, Sch people mostly) some of which are now "crossing over". There is now a Sleeve Division for the PDC, the elementary level, which lends itself nicely to Sch dogs coming over, or younger dogs that have not yet transitioned to the suit. __________________ Valk Police K9/Explosive Detection Baghira Sch II kkl1 Makker CGC, BH, TT K9 in training Flasch FR, BH, TT www.vandesterke.com

03-03-2011, 01:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tim Connell Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 176	I think part of the evolution has been tighter obedience, and I'd put any of the good dogs on par with a decent Sch dog...but I guess to level the playing field, we would have to add multiple decoys, and distractions It's two separate animals..and tough to compare two sports that are on two completely different ends of the spectrum. Seeing an influx of sch dogs coming in will be good for the sport...the precision expected in sch is a good thing..and will raise the bar...conversely, when a sch dog crosses over, hopefully they rise to the occasion with suits, hidden sleeve on the carjack ,decoy pressure, and environmentals. Oh yeah, and sprinkle in call offs, redirects, multiple decoys, food refusal, and obstacles other than nicely painted jumps and walls...and all the other things that make psa unique. __________________ Valk Police K9/Explosive Detection Baghira Sch II kkl1 Makker CGC, BH, TT K9 in training Flasch FR, BH, TT www.vandesterke.com Last edited by Tim Connell; 03-03-2011 at 01:22 PM.

03-02-2011, 09:44 AM	#3 (permalink)
cliffson1 Knighted Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,929	Nice videos, reminds me of training and dogs back in the day

03-02-2011, 12:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
suden Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: NC Posts: 273	~~~~Dog world equals small world. ~~~~~~ It sure does. We went to Ohio for the Nationals to watch. But Blitzen was to amped up in Protection(no out). Still was great to see her and all the other competitors. Vikki

03-03-2011, 11:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ace952 Master Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 691	PSA is very nice and I plan on doing it after my dog does SchH. The only thing I wish is that the OB was a little more tougher. I love the OB in SchH and wish that had that level of OB in PSA.

03-04-2011, 12:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ace952 Master Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 691	Yes I think the OB is coming along but wish it had the SchH level of OB. With PSA being more about protection and biting and multiple attackers, etc you should see IMO better OB than in SchH. You have many PSA people saying that PSA is a "real" test of a dog and yada yada. A good PPD is only as good as his/her obedience. I certainly agree. You can't compare the sports as they are totally different animals. Both with different goals and different mentalities. I look forward to doing it after a SchH title. The only problem is that being in AZ it is hard to practice and then travel somewhere to trial and with no west coast it makes it even more difficult. I love the scenarios and tests that are done. I wish there were more PSA events around to see but of course all the dramam that went on kind of slowed things down but hopefully this year and next, things will pick up. Andy Maly Vah (PSA1, SchH3, IPO3, PDK-9 (Ret.), CDX, RN, TC, TDI/CGC) is a great example of a SchH dog doing PSA. I know his owner/trainer and she can certainly say how the dogs that cross over will do. Not a easy thing by far.

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