Just a rant

Liesje · 11-11-2010, 10:17 AM

Why does it have to be so complicated just to enter a trial? I've spent $95 this morning and I'm not even to the trial entry yet (and the dog was already fully registered AKC, 4-gen pedigree, and had a scorebook....those things already costing probably $100).

Why do I have more paperwork on one dog than the last three year's tax returns combined?

I kinda sucks the fun out of it. Now I'm not sure I can afford to enter the trial, surely not everything I'd planned to enter. Why can't we just train our dogs and enter trials when we see fit?

holland · 11-11-2010, 10:47 AM

People say that trial day is just another training day-they are lying they call it a trial for a reason and its appropriately named

**lhczth** · 11-11-2010, 11:36 AM

What SchH trial are you entering that requires anything extra? Plus, where are you trialing that the entry fee is $95?

GROVEBEAUTY · 11-11-2010, 11:43 AM

I understand! Just the enrty fee for last weekend for two dogs was $261. That seems like a lot. That doesn't include gas and incidental expenses.

Liesje · 11-11-2010, 11:48 AM

I'm trying to get in an SDA trial and they told me I had to register for their organization (in addition to AKC, UKC, WDA... already registered). I have a scorebook with the BH in it (SV judge) but they said it has to be the AWDF scorebook, so that is $60 for membership plus $10 for the book even thought I'm technically banned from signing up(??) but can't request a scorebook without being a member? I'm trying to do the electronic forms and registration so I don't have to wait for the mail but every address on the forms bounces back undeliverable so I will try to fax it instead. Oh and now I need a vet to verify the tattoo even though I already did that so we have to make a trip to the vet.

At this point I'll probably just enter the trial without a scorebook. I just want to be in the trial, I don't really care if the titles are official or who's expensive piece of paper they're written down on. Previously I did the same with my other dog and she never had to have a scorebook or even separate registrations or a tattoo. But now I guess everyone requires you to pay for basically the same things. Also I got three different answers from three different people about what was required to enter (one person said all I need is UKC reg. so now I'm scrambling b/c apparently that's not true anymore). I'm hopelessly confused.

The entry fees will be $115 if I do all three phases.

Liesje · 11-11-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GROVEBEAUTY

I understand! Just the enrty fee for last weekend for two dogs was $261. That seems like a lot. That doesn't include gas and incidental expenses.

Maybe I need a third job to finance entry fees! I already have a second job to finance training, lol.

**lhczth** · 11-11-2010, 12:01 PM

OK. I assumed you meant a SchH trial. I didn't realize that SDA requires a scorebook.

**lhczth** · 11-11-2010, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GROVEBEAUTY

I understand! Just the enrty fee for last weekend for two dogs was $261. That seems like a lot. That doesn't include gas and incidental expenses.

Are you talking the USA GSD Nationals? If so, yes, national championships cost more.

**Chris Wild** · 11-11-2010, 12:04 PM

Lies,

Have you talked directly to Dan Williams who is hosting the trial about this?

My understanding is that yes dogs do have to be registered with SDA, but for 2010 they were grandfathering in any dogs that are UKC registered and not charging a registration fee for those dogs to register them with SDA.

As far as requiring SDA membership to participate in their events, I don't consider that unusual or improper. Though I was also told by someone, don't remember who, that this requirement wasn't going to start until 2011. So something to check on.

Also no scorebook is required. It's completely optional. You only have to have the newer AWDF scorebook IF you want the titles recorded in the dog's scorebook. The newer AWDF scorebooks have a section in the back for titles from other organizations, whereas the older books don't. Can't use the older book simply because there is no place for non SchH titles. But still this is totally up to the person if they want to get a new scorebook just to have them recorded in it, but it is certainly not required. The titles still count, and you'll still get a certificate proving the title.

holland · 11-11-2010, 12:13 PM

Uh huh...well rorie and I are off to chase the squirrels

11-11-2010, 10:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
Liesje Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 12,971	Just a rant Why does it have to be so complicated just to enter a trial? I've spent $95 this morning and I'm not even to the trial entry yet (and the dog was already fully registered AKC, 4-gen pedigree, and had a scorebook....those things already costing probably $100). Why do I have more paperwork on one dog than the last three year's tax returns combined? I kinda sucks the fun out of it. Now I'm not sure I can afford to enter the trial, surely not everything I'd planned to enter. Why can't we just train our dogs and enter trials when we see fit? __________________ UCH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop FO OB1 CL1R CL1F RA TT HIT TDI CGC VPC's Coca-Cola HIT CGC SG UCH Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 AD T1 FO PA CL1R UNJ UCA HIT TT CGC OFA SG Pantalaimon vom Geistwasser BH AD HIT CGC Last edited by Liesje; 11-11-2010 at 10:19 AM.

11-11-2010, 11:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
lhczth Administrator & LOTR Addict Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 11,698	What SchH trial are you entering that requires anything extra? Plus, where are you trialing that the entry fee is $95? __________________ Lisa Clark Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs *South Michigan SchH and Police Club*

11-11-2010, 11:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
Liesje Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 12,971	I'm trying to get in an SDA trial and they told me I had to register for their organization (in addition to AKC, UKC, WDA... already registered). I have a scorebook with the BH in it (SV judge) but they said it has to be the AWDF scorebook, so that is $60 for membership plus $10 for the book even thought I'm technically banned from signing up(??) but can't request a scorebook without being a member? I'm trying to do the electronic forms and registration so I don't have to wait for the mail but every address on the forms bounces back undeliverable so I will try to fax it instead. Oh and now I need a vet to verify the tattoo even though I already did that so we have to make a trip to the vet. At this point I'll probably just enter the trial without a scorebook. I just want to be in the trial, I don't really care if the titles are official or who's expensive piece of paper they're written down on. Previously I did the same with my other dog and she never had to have a scorebook or even separate registrations or a tattoo. But now I guess everyone requires you to pay for basically the same things. Also I got three different answers from three different people about what was required to enter (one person said all I need is UKC reg. so now I'm scrambling b/c apparently that's not true anymore). I'm hopelessly confused. The entry fees will be $115 if I do all three phases. __________________ UCH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop FO OB1 CL1R CL1F RA TT HIT TDI CGC VPC's Coca-Cola HIT CGC SG UCH Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 AD T1 FO PA CL1R UNJ UCA HIT TT CGC OFA SG Pantalaimon vom Geistwasser BH AD HIT CGC

11-11-2010, 12:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
lhczth Administrator & LOTR Addict Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 11,698	OK. I assumed you meant a SchH trial. I didn't realize that SDA requires a scorebook. __________________ Lisa Clark Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs *South Michigan SchH and Police Club*

11-11-2010, 12:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Lies, Have you talked directly to Dan Williams who is hosting the trial about this? My understanding is that yes dogs do have to be registered with SDA, but for 2010 they were grandfathering in any dogs that are UKC registered and not charging a registration fee for those dogs to register them with SDA. As far as requiring SDA membership to participate in their events, I don't consider that unusual or improper. Though I was also told by someone, don't remember who, that this requirement wasn't going to start until 2011. So something to check on. Also no scorebook is required. It's completely optional. You only have to have the newer AWDF scorebook IF you want the titles recorded in the dog's scorebook. The newer AWDF scorebooks have a section in the back for titles from other organizations, whereas the older books don't. Can't use the older book simply because there is no place for non SchH titles. But still this is totally up to the person if they want to get a new scorebook just to have them recorded in it, but it is certainly not required. The titles still count, and you'll still get a certificate proving the title. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

11-11-2010, 10:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
holland Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,634	People say that trial day is just another training day-they are lying they call it a trial for a reason and its appropriately named

11-11-2010, 11:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
GROVEBEAUTY Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Grove, Oklahoma Posts: 263	I understand! Just the enrty fee for last weekend for two dogs was $261. That seems like a lot. That doesn't include gas and incidental expenses.

11-11-2010, 12:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
holland Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,634	Uh huh...well rorie and I are off to chase the squirrels

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