1st time doing obed rally class, which........

LuvourGSDs · 11-20-2008, 08:37 PM

dog to use................

We have 3 & not sure which one to put in class ? Not sure if different lines/drives are better at this sport ?

How to narrow it down to 1 in obed & the other 2 in agility ?

LuvourGSDs · 11-20-2008, 09:15 PM

Lookers & no replies............

I just wasn't sure on this sport ? Know nothing about it & what is taught to your dog. Have a slight idea, but not 100%.

Just was curious on opinions about dogs that do good at it, high energy ones, laid back, etc ?

IliamnasQuest · 11-20-2008, 11:48 PM

My opinion is that any sound dog should be able to do rally. It's really basic in many aspects, and since you are the only one in the ring and you can talk to your dog as much as you want, there's really no reason why most dogs can't earn all three rally titles without much difficulty.

Novice rally is VERY easy. Everything is on leash. There are no jumps or honoring (long stay) exercises. So even senior dogs can do this. If a dog will walk by your left side, turn when you do, knows "come", knows "stay" enough for you to walk around it, knows "down" and is focused enough to pay attention to commands then you will breeze through a novice rally course.

So in your case, you may want to choose which dogs you want to do agility with first and then do rally with the third dog. Then again, why not do rally with all three? *L*

Melanie and the gang in Alaska

LuvourGSDs · 11-21-2008, 08:27 AM

Thanks much for your input !

The trainer is just starting obed rally (is it the same are obed & rally to different things ?) Only offering 1 day & time. She is mainly a agility trainer, but trying the obed rally thing.

Would love to do all 3 & hope to someday ! I told her she needs to offer this more days/times.

There are 3 types of classes/titles ?

IliamnasQuest · 11-21-2008, 06:22 PM

Rally Obedience is different from regular Obedience (I wish they'd left off the "obedience" on the rally because it does confuse things).

Rally is where you follow a course, with little signs that tell you what to do at each station. You're allowed to talk to your dog all you want, give multiple commands, etc. (I'm talking AKC rally here). There are three levels: Novice (all on leash), Advanced (off-leash, one jump) and Excellent (off-leash, two jumps, honoring [long stay] exercise).

Obedience is more formal and requires more training than most of the rally. The judge calls out the pattern and runs you through the exercises. You can only give one command for each section of an exercise (for example, on a heeling section you say "heel" and then you can't repeat that or speak to your dog at all until you're given a halt and then another forward command, when you can say "heel" again). Praising is only allowed between exercises. There are three levels: Novice (part on-leash, part off-leash), Open (all off-leash, includes retrieving and jumps and long out-of-sight stays) and Utility (all off leash, heeling/stand/recall exercise is done with signals only, dog must do scent discrimination and directed retrieving and jumps).

If the instructor says she's teaching a rally obedience class, then I'm guessing that she's going to teach you how to do the various exercises on the cards and how to go through a course. Rally is fun and less stressful than regular obedience. But I'm a diehard obedience fan - a well-trained, happy, enthusiastic dog in obedience is just a beautiful sight to me!

Melanie and the gang in Alaska

LuvourGSDs · 11-21-2008, 07:25 PM

Melanie,

Thanks so much for all info, that sure gives me a much better idea ! Any good links you know to read up on both ?

Thanks again..................

IliamnasQuest · 11-21-2008, 08:56 PM

If you go to the AKC website (www.akc.org) they have the rally obedience exercises on there as well as the regular obedience information. The rally section will include examples of all the signs which is nice so you can figure out what's what. And if you contact them, they will send you an obedience rulebook (I believe you can get one copy for free).

If you really get into rally, there's a rally yahoo group that offers a lot of information. I've been a member for years although I'm generally no-mail on it. They have some great files available on their site that allows you to print off signs, read descriptions of the exercises, and even print off miniature signs (like playing card size) so you can thumb through them and review. I've even made tiny magnets of signs so that we can make courses on a big magnetic board (I teach rally classes at times).

Melanie

Kayla's Dad · 11-21-2008, 10:16 PM

A short video on Rally

http://www.puppiesanddogsinfo.com/ep...ce-can-be-fun/

It's a lot of fun. I started with Rally and then migrated into Obedience with Kayla. Doing it the other way with Lancer - starting with obedience and probably rally between trialing for Novice and Open. But we have started rally classes already since it's the same night as his agility foundation class.

BlackPuppy · 11-24-2008, 10:47 AM

I'd pick whichever dog likes to walk on your left side. The heeling part doesn't have to be perfect, but I see that those people with dogs that have a perfect heel are usually the ones scoring 100 and placing.

I got RN titles on all 3 of my dogs. None of them had a competition heel, but I would always practice sits, downs and stays, so all of them did about average. Doerak placed a few times, but he's just a good dog.

11-20-2008, 08:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
LuvourGSDs Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OH Posts: 5,578	1st time doing obed rally class, which........ dog to use................ We have 3 & not sure which one to put in class ? Not sure if different lines/drives are better at this sport ? How to narrow it down to 1 in obed & the other 2 in agility ? __________________ ~Jen~ Sable~ GSD 7 yrs. NJP, OJP, NAP, NAJ, NA, TN-N, NAC, NJC, CGC Shadow~ BGSD Adopted 6 yrs. RN, CGC Storm~ GSD 5 yrs. RA, TN-N, CGC Skyrah~ GSD Fun Sable Puppy "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail."

11-20-2008, 09:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
LuvourGSDs Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OH Posts: 5,578	Re: 1st time doing obed rally class, which........ Lookers & no replies............ I just wasn't sure on this sport ? Know nothing about it & what is taught to your dog. Have a slight idea, but not 100%. Just was curious on opinions about dogs that do good at it, high energy ones, laid back, etc ? __________________ ~Jen~ Sable~ GSD 7 yrs. NJP, OJP, NAP, NAJ, NA, TN-N, NAC, NJC, CGC Shadow~ BGSD Adopted 6 yrs. RN, CGC Storm~ GSD 5 yrs. RA, TN-N, CGC Skyrah~ GSD Fun Sable Puppy "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail."

11-20-2008, 11:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
IliamnasQuest Knighted Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Alaska Posts: 2,415	Re: 1st time doing obed rally class, which........ My opinion is that any sound dog should be able to do rally. It's really basic in many aspects, and since you are the only one in the ring and you can talk to your dog as much as you want, there's really no reason why most dogs can't earn all three rally titles without much difficulty. Novice rally is VERY easy. Everything is on leash. There are no jumps or honoring (long stay) exercises. So even senior dogs can do this. If a dog will walk by your left side, turn when you do, knows "come", knows "stay" enough for you to walk around it, knows "down" and is focused enough to pay attention to commands then you will breeze through a novice rally course. So in your case, you may want to choose which dogs you want to do agility with first and then do rally with the third dog. Then again, why not do rally with all three? L Melanie and the gang in Alaska __________________ Positive 1ST! More reward, less correction makes a GREAT trainer. Chows: Khana CD RE SD & Dora NA NAJ GSD: Tazer SDIT RIP TrickKyleeDawsonLady* Total of 2UDs 3CDXs 12CDs 2REs 8AgilityTitles 1BH Chow! 20 Yrs Training/Teaching Experience

11-21-2008, 08:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
LuvourGSDs Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OH Posts: 5,578	Re: 1st time doing obed rally class, which........ Thanks much for your input ! The trainer is just starting obed rally (is it the same are obed & rally to different things ?) Only offering 1 day & time. She is mainly a agility trainer, but trying the obed rally thing. Would love to do all 3 & hope to someday ! I told her she needs to offer this more days/times. There are 3 types of classes/titles ? __________________ ~Jen~ Sable~ GSD 7 yrs. NJP, OJP, NAP, NAJ, NA, TN-N, NAC, NJC, CGC Shadow~ BGSD Adopted 6 yrs. RN, CGC Storm~ GSD 5 yrs. RA, TN-N, CGC Skyrah~ GSD Fun Sable Puppy "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail."

11-21-2008, 06:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
IliamnasQuest Knighted Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Alaska Posts: 2,415	Re: 1st time doing obed rally class, which........ Rally Obedience is different from regular Obedience (I wish they'd left off the "obedience" on the rally because it does confuse things). Rally is where you follow a course, with little signs that tell you what to do at each station. You're allowed to talk to your dog all you want, give multiple commands, etc. (I'm talking AKC rally here). There are three levels: Novice (all on leash), Advanced (off-leash, one jump) and Excellent (off-leash, two jumps, honoring [long stay] exercise). Obedience is more formal and requires more training than most of the rally. The judge calls out the pattern and runs you through the exercises. You can only give one command for each section of an exercise (for example, on a heeling section you say "heel" and then you can't repeat that or speak to your dog at all until you're given a halt and then another forward command, when you can say "heel" again). Praising is only allowed between exercises. There are three levels: Novice (part on-leash, part off-leash), Open (all off-leash, includes retrieving and jumps and long out-of-sight stays) and Utility (all off leash, heeling/stand/recall exercise is done with signals only, dog must do scent discrimination and directed retrieving and jumps). If the instructor says she's teaching a rally obedience class, then I'm guessing that she's going to teach you how to do the various exercises on the cards and how to go through a course. Rally is fun and less stressful than regular obedience. But I'm a diehard obedience fan - a well-trained, happy, enthusiastic dog in obedience is just a beautiful sight to me! Melanie and the gang in Alaska __________________ Positive 1ST! More reward, less correction makes a GREAT trainer. Chows: Khana CD RE SD & Dora NA NAJ GSD: Tazer SDIT RIP TrickKyleeDawsonLady* Total of 2UDs 3CDXs 12CDs 2REs 8AgilityTitles 1BH Chow! 20 Yrs Training/Teaching Experience

11-21-2008, 07:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
LuvourGSDs Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OH Posts: 5,578	Re: 1st time doing obed rally class, which........ Melanie, Thanks so much for all info, that sure gives me a much better idea ! Any good links you know to read up on both ? Thanks again.................. __________________ ~Jen~ Sable~ GSD 7 yrs. NJP, OJP, NAP, NAJ, NA, TN-N, NAC, NJC, CGC Shadow~ BGSD Adopted 6 yrs. RN, CGC Storm~ GSD 5 yrs. RA, TN-N, CGC Skyrah~ GSD Fun Sable Puppy "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail."

11-21-2008, 08:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
IliamnasQuest Knighted Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Alaska Posts: 2,415	Re: 1st time doing obed rally class, which........ If you go to the AKC website (www.akc.org) they have the rally obedience exercises on there as well as the regular obedience information. The rally section will include examples of all the signs which is nice so you can figure out what's what. And if you contact them, they will send you an obedience rulebook (I believe you can get one copy for free). If you really get into rally, there's a rally yahoo group that offers a lot of information. I've been a member for years although I'm generally no-mail on it. They have some great files available on their site that allows you to print off signs, read descriptions of the exercises, and even print off miniature signs (like playing card size) so you can thumb through them and review. I've even made tiny magnets of signs so that we can make courses on a big magnetic board (I teach rally classes at times). Melanie __________________ Positive 1ST! More reward, less correction makes a GREAT trainer. Chows: Khana CD RE SD & Dora NA NAJ GSD: Tazer SDIT RIP TrickKyleeDawsonLady* Total of 2UDs 3CDXs 12CDs 2REs 8AgilityTitles 1BH Chow! 20 Yrs Training/Teaching Experience

11-21-2008, 10:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kayla's Dad Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 2,831	Re: 1st time doing obed rally class, which........ A short video on Rally http://www.puppiesanddogsinfo.com/ep...ce-can-be-fun/ It's a lot of fun. I started with Rally and then migrated into Obedience with Kayla. Doing it the other way with Lancer - starting with obedience and probably rally between trialing for Novice and Open. But we have started rally classes already since it's the same night as his agility foundation class. __________________ Samuel Kayla 02/12/05 Lancer 05/01/08

11-24-2008, 10:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
BlackPuppy Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,420	Re: 1st time doing obed rally class, which........ I'd pick whichever dog likes to walk on your left side. The heeling part doesn't have to be perfect, but I see that those people with dogs that have a perfect heel are usually the ones scoring 100 and placing. I got RN titles on all 3 of my dogs. None of them had a competition heel, but I would always practice sits, downs and stays, so all of them did about average. Doerak placed a few times, but he's just a good dog.

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