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Join Date: Mar 2007
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At the Obedience/Rally trial Ciana also embarrassed me by barking anytime I left her crate. She's always done this and hates being crated. If not barking, she'll spin like crazy. I bring an extra large crate just so she doesn't knock it sideways spinning. Yes, she has some anxiety problems and is "high-strung".
The only thing that keeps her from barking is a bark collar, which of course is not allowed at AKC trials. (I could completely cover the crate and discretely fit the bark collar. No one would know.) Of course, she was the ONLY dog in the place barking. Any suggestions? I'm minimizing her time in the crate when I'm not standing right there. But at some point I have to leave for walk-throughs. This is also going to be a problem when we go to agility trials. |
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: North Florida
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I don't know if if would work but I have a spray bottle and spray my male in the fast with water when he starts barking at training while crated.
He would bark like crazy while other dogs were doing protection work and a couple of squirts of water seemed to of done the trick. |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
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I see quite a few folks using the technique Betty suggests with good results.
Do you have the same issue at home? I would suggest that you increase the crate experience and separation while at home. Leave Ciana in the crate and walk away. Don't acknowledge and continue to ignore until she settles/quiet down. You want to get back and award as soon as she quiets, slowly expanding the time. Then you want to try to do this where there are other distractions such as a class, a prearranged set-up where you have other friends at a park or location where their dogs are actively running around while you work with Ciana in her crate. Ultimate award is getting out and joining in the fun! Also if you haven't yet done so, you may want to work on a quiet command with Ciana first outside of the crate and later migrating in the crate. |
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Like Samuel says, start at home, then class, then look for informal events like correction matches/show-and-gos. Right now I am working on this issue with my Coke. I take him to Kenya's agility and crate him or tether him during her class. When she's done, he gets to have class and then play with the dogs. At home, his crate is open and he's just been starting to go in and out on his own and now likes to sleep in there. When we leave for work, he goes in on his own and is fine, it's just when other people and dogs are close by he has to be part of the action. When I do little trials in the crate, he always gets to do something fun afterward so he starts to see that going in the crate = his turn to do something.
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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The barking is a tough issue, as much for you as it is for everyone else at the trial (especially other competitors). No one likes it when a dog is barking like crazy in a crate as it can easily disturb someone trying to show their dog. You may want to not crate her at trials until you can get this under control.
There are some things you can try in training. The water bottle can help, IF used consistently (which means if you walk away, someone else needs to be there to use the bottle). So can rewarding for not barking - again, it needs to be consistent for the training and that means someone needs to be right there to reward when you walk away and she remains quiet. Covering the crate with a sheet may help, too, as she won't be able to see the other dogs. Then you can reward intermittently for her being quiet. The rewards are really important if she's anxious. The spray bottle is a correction/punishment, the rewards will help show her that good things come to those who keep their mouths shut .. *L* I wouldn't put the bark collar on her and cover the crate. While the barking isn't desirable, breaking the rules isn't the way to go either (and will gain you a bad reputation if you're caught). Not only that, but the bark collar only puts a band-aid on the situation and certainly doesn't help her anxiety. Use of a bark collar probably heightens her anxiety, which makes her act even worse when the collar isn't on. So in the long run it's probably working against you. Good luck. So far I've always managed to avoid having any of my dogs develop a bad crate habit, but I am really conscientious when they're young to encourage good crate manners and discourage bad ones. I see a lot of dogs that start out in agility developing some awful crate habits and I think it's because they get so over-excited. It drives me crazy to go to an agility trial where there are a dozen dogs barking their heads off. Melanie and the gang in Alaska
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sparta, MI
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You could try the method that worked for me at a CPE trial this weekend. Morgan would bark and fuss for a time when I would take out my other dog for her runs. On the last run of the last day, I heard nothing and thought she had finally gotten over it. When I came back to my screen tent, I noticed a woman with two standard schnauzers and the most adorable puppy had put their blanket right in front of my tent, in Morgan's full view. She was so fascinated by the puppy, she forgot she had been left alone.
Any cute puppies to be had?
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Looks like I have some work to do. No puppies available, but Ciana is scared of puppies, anyway. Go figure.
There are 2 show n goes before our next trial, so I'll treat those like an actual trial. She spins in all her crates, so maybe it's time I teach her some crate manners. But those eyes! Those soft pleading eyes that want out! |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
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RESIST! RESIST! Look the other way! Those are not the beautiful eyes of a wonderful GSD. They're trying to control you. If you give in under trial conditions, the mind meld will be next. RESIST!
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