Showing an unregistered dog.

Lilie · 12-15-2010, 11:48 AM

I am in the process of speaking to a woman who rescued a 2 year old GSD female. This GSD is the result of a person who bred an AKC female GSD to an AKC Limited Registered male. So the puppy is not AKC registered.

My question is this, I obviously can't compete in AKC sanctioned shows. But can I compete in other shows? Are there many events out there where you can show an unregistered dog? Not in conformation, but in Agility, Rally, Tracking etc.

I've met the GSD and I really like her. She needs a job and I think she'd do well in Rally or even tracking. She is untrained and a handful. The offer to me is I can foster her and utilize our time training together. If she would do better in a 'pet' home then they'll search for another home for her. If she is happy in a 'working' home then I can say I'm a foster failure.

The rescue isn't a certified rescue. It is my vet clinic, who is attempting to find a good home for this dog. I have no doubt in my mind if she doesn't work out, they'll continue to look for a home for her. I'll keep her as a foster, and continue working with her to ensure she'll find a good home. But if I decide to keep her, then she is mine.

Either way I decide, I've already told them I'll keep her over the Holidays, picking her up this Sunday. I couldn't see any reason for her to be kenneled at the clinic on Christmas. Hondo has already met her and loves her. She is happy go lucky and not bothered by much.

Jax08 · 12-15-2010, 11:50 AM

Get a PAL number from the AKC and you can participate in AKC sanctioned events. Jax has one. (agility, rally, obedience, tracking)

Other agility/rally
ASCA (Australian Shepherd but accepts all breeds for agility/rally. Not sure if they have tracking)
DOCNA - agility all breed

Lilie · 12-15-2010, 11:58 AM

REALLY! That is exciting! Are there seperate classes, or do you show shoulder to shoulder with the regularly registered dogs?

What I mean is I have 1/2 Arabians. I show at rated shows but the 1/2 Arabians have their own seperate classes. Is it the same as PAL registered dogs?

Jax08 · 12-15-2010, 12:00 PM

You are in the same classes with registered dogs. I'm not sure what would happen if you beat the registered dogs.

Not sure if they get preference for wins because they are registered.

Lilie · 12-15-2010, 12:12 PM

Wonderful! I always do better with a goal in mind.......

arycrest · 12-15-2010, 05:26 PM

With the PAL you're entitled to compete in any AKC venue open to the GSD with the exception of conformation classes. Once you step in the ring you're on equal footing with all the dog's entered, regardless if they have full registration, limited registration, or a PAL/ILP number.

FWIW I was defrauded by Bruiser's breeder and he's registered with an AKC ILP number. He also has full UKC registration since I could prove that both his sire and dam are registered GSDs.

Jax08 · 12-15-2010, 05:40 PM

Gayle - I've been told that Jax can not enter any event if there is also a conformation class and that entering a dog with a PAL number in events is dependent on whether the specific club will allow it. Is that true?

Franksmom · 12-15-2010, 06:11 PM

The PAL number is for purebred dogs that for some reason do not have papers to get full registration, they can show at the same events where confirmation is showing also.
The new canine partners registration is for mixed breeds, not all shows take them, and there was a rule about mixed breeds not being in shows where confirmation was going on also

**JakodaCD OA** · 12-15-2010, 06:58 PM

My female gsd, (now passed), had an ILP which is now PAL I guess, I competed in agility, obedience, some herding with her.

We competed right along side any dog registered with AKC and other venues. No separate classes, she took High in Trials a couple of times, so having an ILP vs a straight akc reg, didn't affect anything.

The only thing we couldn't have done was compete on the world team in agility LOL,,I coulda cared less, she had over 30 agility titles, obed titled, certified in a couple things,, I say GO FOR IT!

Jax08 · 12-15-2010, 07:39 PM

Diane - Is it true that competing with a dog with a PAL number is dependent on whether the club allows it?

I was told by my friend who has bred and shown dogs for many, many years that dogs with PAL numbers cannot enter if that show is having conformation and it is dependent on whether the club holding the events allows them to enter.

12-15-2010, 11:48 AM	#1 (permalink)
Lilie Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Texas Posts: 6,290	Showing an unregistered dog. I am in the process of speaking to a woman who rescued a 2 year old GSD female. This GSD is the result of a person who bred an AKC female GSD to an AKC Limited Registered male. So the puppy is not AKC registered. My question is this, I obviously can't compete in AKC sanctioned shows. But can I compete in other shows? Are there many events out there where you can show an unregistered dog? Not in conformation, but in Agility, Rally, Tracking etc. I've met the GSD and I really like her. She needs a job and I think she'd do well in Rally or even tracking. She is untrained and a handful. The offer to me is I can foster her and utilize our time training together. If she would do better in a 'pet' home then they'll search for another home for her. If she is happy in a 'working' home then I can say I'm a foster failure. The rescue isn't a certified rescue. It is my vet clinic, who is attempting to find a good home for this dog. I have no doubt in my mind if she doesn't work out, they'll continue to look for a home for her. I'll keep her as a foster, and continue working with her to ensure she'll find a good home. But if I decide to keep her, then she is mine. Either way I decide, I've already told them I'll keep her over the Holidays, picking her up this Sunday. I couldn't see any reason for her to be kenneled at the clinic on Christmas. Hondo has already met her and loves her. She is happy go lucky and not bothered by much. __________________ Hondo Von Dopplet L Bauernhof "Hondo"- GSD Lilie's Tug McGraw "Tug" - Golden Retriever Maggie - Mini Dachshund (Rescue) Lonestar - Texas Blue Lacy Funyon, Ashe, Soot - Barn Cats Scooter /1/2 Arabian, Shadow, Katie / APHA

12-15-2010, 11:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
Lilie Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Texas Posts: 6,290	REALLY! That is exciting! Are there seperate classes, or do you show shoulder to shoulder with the regularly registered dogs? What I mean is I have 1/2 Arabians. I show at rated shows but the 1/2 Arabians have their own seperate classes. Is it the same as PAL registered dogs? __________________ Hondo Von Dopplet L Bauernhof "Hondo"- GSD Lilie's Tug McGraw "Tug" - Golden Retriever Maggie - Mini Dachshund (Rescue) Lonestar - Texas Blue Lacy Funyon, Ashe, Soot - Barn Cats Scooter /1/2 Arabian, Shadow, Katie / APHA

12-15-2010, 12:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
Lilie Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Texas Posts: 6,290	Wonderful! I always do better with a goal in mind....... __________________ Hondo Von Dopplet L Bauernhof "Hondo"- GSD Lilie's Tug McGraw "Tug" - Golden Retriever Maggie - Mini Dachshund (Rescue) Lonestar - Texas Blue Lacy Funyon, Ashe, Soot - Barn Cats Scooter /1/2 Arabian, Shadow, Katie / APHA

12-15-2010, 05:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
arycrest Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 8,092	With the PAL you're entitled to compete in any AKC venue open to the GSD with the exception of conformation classes. Once you step in the ring you're on equal footing with all the dog's entered, regardless if they have full registration, limited registration, or a PAL/ILP number. FWIW I was defrauded by Bruiser's breeder and he's registered with an AKC ILP number. He also has full UKC registration since I could prove that both his sire and dam are registered GSDs. __________________ Gayle & the Hooligans Mac, Slider, Bruiser, & Faith MY BRIDGE KIDS: Andy, Abbey, Tasha, Tex, Echo, Yukon, JR, Too, Niki, Bo, Ringer, Kelly, & Honey The Hooligans Photo Albums! Last edited by arycrest; 12-15-2010 at 05:28 PM.

12-15-2010, 06:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
Franksmom Master Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Southern, Indiana, USA Posts: 773	The PAL number is for purebred dogs that for some reason do not have papers to get full registration, they can show at the same events where confirmation is showing also. The new canine partners registration is for mixed breeds, not all shows take them, and there was a rule about mixed breeds not being in shows where confirmation was going on also __________________ Franksmom frank(Rosehall's Duke of Hearts CD, BN, RN) gsd 4/10 indy (Indy Bluestorm CD, GN, RN,CGC) BC 4/06 king bc mix 9/03

12-15-2010, 11:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 14,337	Get a PAL number from the AKC and you can participate in AKC sanctioned events. Jax has one. (agility, rally, obedience, tracking) Other agility/rally ASCA (Australian Shepherd but accepts all breeds for agility/rally. Not sure if they have tracking) DOCNA - agility all breed

12-15-2010, 12:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 14,337	You are in the same classes with registered dogs. I'm not sure what would happen if you beat the registered dogs. Not sure if they get preference for wins because they are registered.

12-15-2010, 05:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 14,337	Gayle - I've been told that Jax can not enter any event if there is also a conformation class and that entering a dog with a PAL number in events is dependent on whether the specific club will allow it. Is that true?

12-15-2010, 06:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 14,237	My female gsd, (now passed), had an ILP which is now PAL I guess, I competed in agility, obedience, some herding with her. We competed right along side any dog registered with AKC and other venues. No separate classes, she took High in Trials a couple of times, so having an ILP vs a straight akc reg, didn't affect anything. The only thing we couldn't have done was compete on the world team in agility LOL,,I coulda cared less, she had over 30 agility titles, obed titled, certified in a couple things,, I say GO FOR IT! __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

12-15-2010, 07:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 14,337	Diane - Is it true that competing with a dog with a PAL number is dependent on whether the club allows it? I was told by my friend who has bred and shown dogs for many, many years that dogs with PAL numbers cannot enter if that show is having conformation and it is dependent on whether the club holding the events allows them to enter.

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