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09-20-2014 10:57 AM
lhczth What I recommend is joining a club and experiencing the dogs yourself. If there are dogs that you feel are suitable for your level of experience and whose temperaments you like, then find out where the handlers got them. This is how I ended up with Treue. I found out about a litter through a club member. His current dog was also from the same breeder. I did some research on the breeder, saw that he had multiple dogs working in SchH and that he also titled dogs from his own program. I also liked the looks of the upcoming litter, did my research there and sent a deposit. Yes, I tend to do a lot of research and there was no WWW back then.
09-19-2014 06:47 PM
Haven Hi All

Carmspack & Martemchik & Lhczth: I think I get what you're saying especially about Dasty as it corresponds with our last GSD whose father was a well known ASL champion, Meet Joe Black, but after spending thousands of dollars, two nationally recognized trainers independently decided our GSD was "genetically" fear-aggressive and all we could do was manage his exposure to other people.

An inexperienced buyer, like myself, must keep in mind that no test nor pedigree can be definitive or even a sure thing. It's better to rely upon "trustworthy-ness" and knowledge of the breeder. The good news is that Deleta was one of only three breeders in the Bay Area who was recommended by multiple Forum members (and she was also backed by the leader of the local Schutzhund group that I will be joining.) The bad news is that in a sense it brings us right back to the original question. (Keep in mind, if we hadn't liked any of Deleta's dogs, we would have had to extend the search area considerably perhaps as far as the East Coast.)

How does an inexperienced couple who want a fundamentally stable dog who will succeed in IPO find a breeder on the West Coast when there are so few who receive multiple recommendations?

Osito23 & Liesje: Thanks for your comments about Jamie. Doting Dads always appreciate such remarks.

lhczth & Liesje & Cassidy: Thanks for your input on bedding! Towels seem like a good way to go.

Thanks everyone!
09-19-2014 12:35 PM
osito23 Congratulations on your puppy! She's adorable and I'm sure will be a lot of fun to work with.
09-19-2014 12:31 PM
Cassidy's Mom I use towels too. We got a cheap pack of white towels (can be bleached!) at Costco, and until Halo was old enough to not chew her bedding, that's all she had. If she was crated when she didn't want to be (not at bedtime or when she was tired, for example), I wouldn't even put a towel in because she'd sometimes start to chew it, I'd just leave it on top of the crate. When she was tired and ready to sleep, I could put the towel back in and it would be fine. Towels were good for crating her in the car too, since she got carsick for awhile, even on very short trips. I'd just bring a couple extras and switch it out if she got sick.
09-19-2014 11:47 AM
Originally Posted by Haven View Post
I have noticed that most handlers don't use pads. On the other hand, Jamie is spending most of his 24 hours in a crate or in a pen on top of ceramic tiles; would using a pad decrease the likelihood of future hip problems?

Cute puppy!

I don't use pads but I have a large collection of old towels that I use in the crate/kennel. That way if they have an accident, it gets absorbed (and most of my dogs are "clean" so they shove it aside if it gets soiled) rather than a puppy sliding around in pee on a hard surface. I've just found it's less mess and less discomfort for the puppy. I've never had issues with my puppies eating the towels. Once they get to be 6-8 months, they often go through a phase where I have to remove bedding, but by then they are house trained, crate trained, and can hold it. Then as they mature, I can usually add some bedding back in without it getting destroyed (or more likely, the dogs are no longer crated).
09-18-2014 08:02 PM
lhczth Carmen, I had a very bad experience with a Dasty dogs and then I have found out some things about him from my friends in Germany. Just not a dog I care to have in a pedigree. IMO he doesn't offer anything positive except that he was very pretty.
09-18-2014 06:19 PM
martemchik OP, I got what you're saying no point was just that the test isn't really all that worthy. flipped a puppy on its back and watched it squirm. Well what does it tell you if it stopped instantly? What does it tell you if it took 15 seconds to stop? What does it tell you if it never stopped? Which puppy is better? That's my point. IMO, those things tell you very little, especially if you haven't done the test to 100s of puppies and then watched/followed them as they grew up to figure out what kind of dogs they turned into and then connected the dots.
09-18-2014 06:03 PM
carmspack no matter what stage you are at there is always , always room to learn more --
watch this Haven ---- so Lisa what don't you like about Dasty vom Gries? (does it have to do with Greif?)
09-18-2014 04:43 PM
lhczth Funny, I can leave bedding in with my dogs once they are around a year. Up until that point it will be chewed if they are crated for too long. They are content in their crates and don't feel the need to stress and chew things up. I have had one dog that I couldn't and she would also tear up toys if I took my eyes off of her for a minute. She even managed to pull things into her crate to chew on.

I have a test I use specifically for myself and my puppies. It usually doesn't tell me much I don't already see, but has come in handy when I tested litters for other people. It is hard, though, to test a litter that you only see one time especially when you don't have years of experience. And, as others said, what one person wants another may not care about. I, personally, could care less if a puppy brings anything back to me or retrieves to the hand, but I am very demanding about hunt drive, grip and environmental nerves.
09-18-2014 03:19 PM
Haven Hi Martemchik & Carmspack: The very first thing we did was talk to Deleta at length about our experiences, who we are and where we live, and what we were looking for. Then as Deleta brought out puppies she advised us to each of their natures. I'm sure she wouldn't have let us get a puppy ill-fitted for us.

You have to remember that most Forum members especially yourselves can tell a breeder the type of dog you are looking for not only because you know from your experiences having owned several GSDs but because you can explain using language the breeder will understand. Heck, Carmspack you're so incredibly knowledgeable about pedigrees you could probably tell the breeder specific famous dogs that have the characteristics you are looking for; in fact, you wouldn't even go to a breeder unless you were looking for a puppy from the pairing of the breeder's particular dam and sire.

In contrast, my wife and I are totally clueless. So the few Volhard tests we did like holding the puppy on his back or seeing whether they would return a tossed ball was more instructive in showing US the nature of the individual puppy. If I gave the impression that we tallied up the points and made our decision based upon them, then I completely misled you.

Blitzkrieg 1: Thanks. I have noticed that most handlers don't use pads. On the other hand, Jamie is spending most of his 24 hours in a crate or in a pen on top of ceramic tiles; would using a pad decrease the likelihood of future hip problems?

Thanks All!
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