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Today 12:34 AM
carmspack good luck , still planning on the OTCH , AKC obedience route or are you now doing schutzhund , I mean IPO?

just one thing , I really really don't like the Vollard test - not for a working dog .
Yesterday 10:35 PM
lhczth What a cutie.
Yesterday 09:07 PM

Meet Jamie bred from Diego-Armando von der Roggenstraße and Taidy Von Karthago by trainer Deleta Jones at K9 Ambassador. He scored 2’s & 3’s on the Volhard’s Puppy Aptitude Testing we performed. He came to us crate trained and knows several Schutzhund commands already. Like all five puppies we saw at Deleta’s he is people oriented. What we particularly liked was that he was also ball oriented and tugged readily at the blanket. Is he going to achieve his IPO 1? No question! Will he also be a great companion? Absolutely!

I’d like to summarize what I’ve learned from this thread for anyone who might have similar questions in the future.

1) In the last 30 years, GSD training has moved from AKC Obedience to Schutzhund training almost exclusively. Only a handful of GSDs get their OTch’s every year, and this makes sense because Schutzhund training accurately reflects the temperament of the German Shepherd; whereas, AKC Obedience has dissolved into nit picking the differences between Border Collies.

2) There are few recognized breeders on the West Coast in general, and very few in the San Francisco Bay Area. Finding a breeder recommended by more than one forum member was tough.

3) Most forum members feel that a good GSD breeder should also train and show their own dogs so that they have a personal commitment in breeding dogs that will succeed in Schutzhund.

4) Puppies bred from “known” dogs have recognizable pedigrees that can help predict what kind of dogs the puppies will grow into. It blows me away that there are forum members like Carmspack and Lhczth who can know so much that they can do this.

5) It can take several months even a year to find the right dog here on the West Coast. My wife and I were prepared not to find a puppy at Deleta’s and to then have to considerably broaden our search (which reinforces our intent to have two dogs so that there is not such an emotional hole in our lives after losing one.) That we found Jamie was not an act of acceptance but a joy at having five wonderful dogs to chose from.

6) And finally, forum members are FANTASTIC! The advice I received was incredible. We made a serious mistake in choosing our last GSD, but because of the advice I received not only in this thread but in exchanging messaging I KNOW that this time we have a great puppy.
09-15-2014 03:06 PM
Kayos and Havoc You can also look at vom Haus Vianden in Idaho. She has TRex's sire, actually frozen semen as he just recenly passed away.
09-15-2014 03:00 PM
Kayos and Havoc T-Rex vom Kriegerhaus PT CD RA

T Rex now has his OTCH.
09-05-2014 10:21 PM
Jax08 My breeder ships puppies. Jody Potter in NYS. I highly recommend her.
09-05-2014 10:10 PM
Haven Selzer: I followed the link. What a contentious thread!

Bottom line, if we need to travel to pick up the puppy, we will. Call me a crazy Calfornian, but our animal companions are precious to us. We have and would again borrow money if necessary to have a GSD's hip replaced. And, it seems to me, that if we have to spend more money to get a great puppy, we'll have to spend less money down the road.
09-05-2014 09:49 PM
Originally Posted by Haven View Post
Selzer: I'm almost afraid to ask, what the heck does the Department Of Agriculture have to do it?!!!

There is a new rule passed within the last year, that people who ship even one puppy/dog to an owner, they fall under USDA control. And if you sell a dog not born and raised on your property, you fall under the USDA. I think that what we are going to see is even more pronounced differences in the breed due to their region. But that is not what this thread is about, so I will try to find a link to the other thread.
09-05-2014 09:40 PM
Haven Selzer: I'm almost afraid to ask, what the heck does the Department Of Agriculture have to do it?!!!
09-05-2014 09:34 PM
Originally Posted by Haven View Post
All that said, if none of the puppies work for us, we'll consider shipping. Carmspack has a breeder she trusts in Oregon, and a couple of members have recommended Alder-Stein in Los Angeles. Question: If we need to ship, does it open up the entire U.S.? Is there some limit on how long a puppy should fly?
Yes, and no. Because of the new legislation, many good breeders are choosing not to ship puppies so that they do not fall under the USDA guidelines. It's hard to wait, but, waiting could get you the dog you want.
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