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09-01-2014 01:53 AM
Pax8
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Originally Posted by Danny G View Post
PAX,

Hey, I understand. No need for an apology.

Just wondering why you would alter a part of my short quoted sentence???

Thanks a million.
Oh, that's what you're talking about. I wasn't trying to quote you at all. I was just trying to talk specifics about working up a place command from a sterile training environment to the real world situation. I believe the issue was that he would do his place command under calm circumstances but would not hold it if there were people? So I was just trying to point out that that means his command has not been gradually proofed against real stimuli leading up to an unscripted door greeting. Him not holding his place command is almost nothing to do with his "protective" instinct and everything to do with the fact that he has learned to place when everything is calm, but has not learned to have the self-control to continue that behavior in the presence of stimuli. It's something has can't be taken straight from place in a sterile situation to place when relatives drop by. It has to be built up level by level of distraction to become a reliable behavior.

That's all I was trying to say.
09-01-2014 01:17 AM
lalachka
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Originally Posted by Danny G View Post
Yeah, since the incident, I have been exiting through a back door that the dog has no access to. Hopefully I can use my front door in the future when I get better control of the dog.
I would never use the front door without him on leash or behind some door in some room.
I don't take chances like that. I'm 100 percent sure he won't run out, besides we live in the building but i won't. why risk it?
09-01-2014 01:15 AM
Steve Strom Yeah, you know now Danny, that he will act if it gets into his little coconut so what matters is what you do from this point on. Sometimes management gives the appearance of great training. Since you have kids and they probably have friends, I'd eliminate his ability to ever chase them. I'm not one to spend a lot of time on the why's or anything, I'd just put a leash on and teach him what he's going to do. I skimmed most of the thread, so I'm probably repeating what others have said.
09-01-2014 01:10 AM
Danny G
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Originally Posted by my boy diesel View Post
this is us too
in fact i dont even go out my front door if someone approaches is
i go through a gate to get to my side door and the dogs stay behind that gate
just too easy to mess up when your front yard is not fenced
Yeah, since the incident, I have been exiting through a back door that the dog has no access to. Hopefully I can use my front door in the future when I get better control of the dog.
09-01-2014 01:08 AM
Danny G
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Originally Posted by Steve Strom View Post
Hey Danny, for what its worth, what you just had happen is exactly why my dogs are restricted from being able to get to the front door. They listen, they have place commands, they show no inclination to chase anything they shouldnt. But thats just one of those things I choose management over training. I think you cited a few of my reasons, Ins. etc..

Thanks Steve, I'm trying and trying. He's is as stubborn as they come :-)
09-01-2014 01:07 AM
my boy diesel
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But thats just one of those things I choose management over training.
this is us too
in fact i dont even go out my front door if someone approaches is
i go through a gate to get to my side door and the dogs stay behind that gate
just too easy to mess up when your front yard is not fenced
09-01-2014 01:03 AM
Steve Strom Hey Danny, for what its worth, what you just had happen is exactly why my dogs are restricted from being able to get to the front door. They listen, they have place commands, they show no inclination to chase anything they shouldnt. But thats just one of those things I choose management over training. I think you cited a few of my reasons, Ins. etc..
09-01-2014 12:59 AM
Danny G
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Originally Posted by my boy diesel View Post
this is just lack of training
he should not feel he has the right to shove by you and dart out
but this is a common scenario and yes it happens but its just up to us to prevent it


overstimulated and frustrated but again not a prey drive specific thing

i will say again that you need to work on this and someone suggested a professional and that is a good thing i think

the reason is
if your dog becomes frustrated and one of your girls is nearby the child could become the target of the redirected aggression

do not take redirection aggression lightly
dogs can hurt other dogs and even their people badly with redirected aggression

i do honestly think upping his exercise and redirecting his prey drive and energy to a positive outlet is going to be key to success with this dog

Great advice.. I will continue to work my butt of with this stubborn doggie.

Thanks!
09-01-2014 12:52 AM
Danny G PAX,

Hey, I understand. No need for an apology.

Just wondering why you would alter a part of my short quoted sentence???

Thanks a million.
09-01-2014 12:44 AM
my boy diesel
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I opened the door to speak with the girls and Wolfie ran out of the door
this is just lack of training
he should not feel he has the right to shove by you and dart out
but this is a common scenario and yes it happens but its just up to us to prevent it

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When I grabbed his collar to stop the attack, he actually tried to bite my hand.
overstimulated and frustrated but again not a prey drive specific thing

i will say again that you need to work on this and someone suggested a professional and that is a good thing i think

the reason is
if your dog becomes frustrated and one of your girls is nearby the child could become the target of the redirected aggression

do not take redirection aggression lightly
dogs can hurt other dogs and even their people badly with redirected aggression

i do honestly think upping his exercise and redirecting his prey drive and energy to a positive outlet is going to be key to success with this dog
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