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09-05-2014 08:14 AM
Germanshepherdlove So I talked with Lou about it on his forum and he thinks I could be right, that he is associating with the flexi. I also did a session on the flexi with the ecollar on his neck, but not turned on, you would have thought it was on. He acted just the same as when I stim him. I think he feels the slight pull from the flexi, that's why he is so Velcro. He is not like that on a regular leash.

Going to start from the beginning on the long line and ditch the flexi for now.
09-03-2014 11:33 PM
Germanshepherdlove
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Originally Posted by Steve Strom View Post
Here's some more stuff you can read:

https://www.dobbsdogs.com/library/sc...nd/schutz.html
Thanks for the link!
09-03-2014 11:31 PM
Steve Strom Here's some more stuff you can read:

https://www.dobbsdogs.com/library/sc...nd/schutz.html
09-03-2014 11:27 PM
Steve Strom Random as in his surroundings changing his attention level and perception of what you are doing. You arent isolating what you want, his learning about electric and how to respond to it.
09-03-2014 11:20 PM
Germanshepherdlove
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Originally Posted by Steve Strom View Post
I think you're being a little too random, too soon. You need to spend more time in a setting that eliminates all the variables you'll come accross out on a walk. You shouldnt be turning up the juice, you're supposed to be showing him how he can turn it off.
I followed the protocol so that if the dog doesn't respond after 15-20 leash pulls, you up the stim. I don't think that is too random, do you?

He turns to me immediately every time on the flexi. And took no notice of the stim on the long line in the same location. That's what really got me.
09-03-2014 11:15 PM
Steve Strom I think you're being a little too random, too soon. You need to spend more time in a setting that eliminates all the variables you'll come accross out on a walk. You shouldnt be turning up the juice, you're supposed to be showing him how he can turn it off.
09-03-2014 11:10 PM
Germanshepherdlove
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Originally Posted by onyx'girl View Post
you are going with Lou's protocol, you should ask Lou. IF I were training my dog to an ecollar without knowing, I would not be asking advice on a forum but train with someone knowledgeable on it and working one on one with them. You need to be fair to your dog.
I have asked him as well. That is also why I am keeping the stim so low, the highest I have used on him for recall is 20.

Ecollar trainer is not in my budget and there are none with in a driving distance that I can do right now.

Luckily I have very good timing and have been erring on the side if caution.
09-03-2014 11:03 PM
onyx'girl you are going with Lou's protocol, you should ask Lou. IF I were training my dog to an ecollar without knowing, I would not be asking advice on a forum but train with someone knowledgeable on it and working one on one with them. You need to be fair to your dog.
09-03-2014 10:45 PM
Germanshepherdlove So I'm really confused after our work today....as you guys know I'm following the Lou castle protocol. So I use a flexi leash when I'm working with the ecollar on recall. He has been super Velcro since starting the ecollar work.

Today we went on a walk and I forgot the flexi at home. I always have my long line with me though so I decided to work a little with that instead. Totally different dog. Had to turn the stim way up from what it was, it was like starting over.


I Still have trouble finding his working level, so I usually try to find it, then adjust a little once I start, based on if he responds or not. I'm not sure why he is so different with the flexi, maybe he associates it with the stim?

IDid an experiment when we got home and he again was super Velcro with the flexi, and okay but not Velcro with out and needed higher stim.

What do you guys think?
09-02-2014 10:02 PM
Germanshepherdlove
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Originally Posted by VTGirlT View Post
Hey i'm pretty new to e-collar work!
I think a good idea when using e-collar is using it on yourself. Like other places and people have suggested to me. I even went to the 127 (highest stim) on my e-collar on myself to see what it felt like- to give me perspective.
My girl's working level as of now is from anywhere of 14-35 out of 127 stims, if that helps give you perspective on the stim you used, every dog is different though. We use the dogtra 1900.

Lou Castle is a really nice guy and very knowledgeable, he usually will message you back on questions. He has a forums and also tells you step by step how to use e-collar.. fitting, finding working level, etc. on his website. If you still feel uncomfortable, maybe he might have suggestions to e-collar trainers that have a similar style to his that can show you in person that are near you. Or you can do your own research and ask many questions to see what type of e-collar work they do.

This is my thread on me starting the e-collar. I'm no where near an expert. I'm still being trained!

Good luck!

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...y-3-hours.html
Awesome! Thank you! I will read through your thread too
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