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08-31-2014 06:49 PM
GSD Owner in Training :-)
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Originally Posted by Pioneer53 View Post

Go back and reintroduce the muzzle slowly at home (get your own well fitting basket muzzle and always take it with you to the vet's), this is a good basic video on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quAlzJjJfKE Use super high value treats. Review the muzzle lesson often. This way if you ever have to go to an emergency clinic, etc. with him, he will accept it willingly and it will often calm down the staff who may not be adept at handling large dogs...

Next condition him to three basic steps of having his leg held extended, held off at the elbow and pinched lightly on the mid leg. Lots of very high value treats for this. Make a lighthearted game of this and of the muzzle work. Then slowly combine all the different steps so he becomes used to the sequence. first without, then with the muzzle. If he gets worried, you are moving too fast, just back up the training and start again. It is just information that he needs to go slower with the process to be comfortable with it. And take those high value treats to the next vet's office with you too.

Best of luck to you both!
Wanted to thank you for this advice. I've already started getting him accustom to his legs being touched where they drew blood and I will continue to keep doing it. I wish we had been doing it before now but hopefully if we do it enough he will get used to it.
08-31-2014 06:46 PM
GSD Owner in Training :-) Thanks for all the awesome info. We are going to take him in for weighing the next few weeks. So we will make sure he has really good experiences. We are also going to purchase a muzzle so we can get him accustom to one. Does anyone have any suggestions on good muzzles for GSD's?
08-31-2014 11:44 AM
Shade The vet held Delgado with one arm around his waist and the other holding his front leg out for the tech. She shaved a small portion and one stick later she had enough blood. Delgado and the vet had a mutual love/make out session the entire time. It was hilarious to watch and I loved the low key energy of both, there was no fuss or muss and everyone walked away with smiles.

I'd make the effort to take him back a few times without doing anything but feed treats and have the staff greet him. The muzzle as well I would work hard to have him associate with good things. It may end up being a fluke and he doesn't have any other issues but it never hurts to be proactive
08-31-2014 12:23 AM
Colie CVT Lol, David, that is the words that always curse us! If anyone says that the vein is large or something like that, it's guaranteed you will miss it.

As Anubis said, it really all is in your holder. Even a person with amazing skills can be spoiled by someone who does not know how to restrain properly, and is working with the dog to make it as quick and stress-free as possible.

I am a good hit with veins most of the time, however, just as these people are, I am human. I can make mistakes. We usually have a two hit rule too, and personally if I can't get it within a stick or two, I will pass to another and offer to hold because I know that I can hold well for others.

That said, if it's a larger dog without the worry of a clotting factor problem, my favorite vein is the jugular. It's quick, I frankly still use the standard needle and syringe combo, and generally speaking if I am certain on where it is, I can usually hit it. Our rule is that front legs are for catheters, and I tend to leave back legs for smaller blood draws (just a blood glucose or PCV) or injections. -shrugs- I am normally able to get it on the first stick, but some days dogs can be extremely challenging without having to do more than be a dog.

At this point, I would basically chalk it up to a bad vein day. If you have to go in for something like that again, be certain to mention that it was hard last time so you likely should be prepared. I'm not generally a fan of the lay the dog flat out and draw from a back leg method. I've done it with them standing, or sitting with legs facing me. You have to read the dog and see how things look. I always look twice and try to poke once. But again, I am not these people and it could have just been a bad day/issues with the way the leg was held off/positioned.
08-30-2014 10:00 PM
Anubis_Star Sounds like proper restraint still wasn't utilized. If i NEEDED blood, I would put the dog on it's side, HOLD it down firmly, and hold off the back leg for my counterpart to hit. Most owners don't approve of fluffy being restrained in that manner which is why I like to take dogs to the back to draw blood. Usually, proper restraint and help in the first place make this a problem that doesn't happen often.

Also keep in mind I work emergency medicine. I unfortunately don't have time to work through fear and stress. My patients are sick and we need the blood NOW
08-30-2014 09:58 PM
Anubis_Star Sometimes dogs have crap veins. And sometimes you have a hard time hitting it. Zekes veins collapse when he is poked and gets stressed. He is VERY hard to hit. We've had to shave his legs just to get blood. Yes sometimes you have that dog that every one tries every leg and you still have a super hard time hitting a vein. It happens.

I think several things were not in their favor today. 1 sounds like they tried alone. I can hit most veins alone. But if it's a difficult vein sometimes it's hard without someone else, properly trained, to properly hold of and restrained. After the second try they should of just gone and gotten then vet then to help hold off. At that point unfortunately the dog is not behaving. Now you have a moving target. Veins are probably collapsing. Jugs are usually no easier in this case and you have to use are larger needle
08-30-2014 09:54 PM
Anubis_Star Boy, I wish I could be as perfect as all of you, and ALWAYS hit it on the first stick! Please, show me your miraculous ways
08-30-2014 09:50 PM
David Winners I'm lucky. Fama is easy to stick. The veins on the front of her front legs are about the size of a #2 pencil.

08-30-2014 09:49 PM
selzer I hate it when it takes them more than one stick for my dogs. I try to keep mum and not say anything, and my dogs tend to be ok with it, but it irritates me.

I wouldn't necessarily switch vets, but I might not want to be too frustrated with your pup either. I would probably go a couple of times, just to weigh the boy and get treats from the vet techs, in the next couple of weeks, so that every time he goes to the vet he doesn't get stuck.

Try not to relive this issue, and do everything matter-of-factly at the vet. He will probably get over this quicker if you do. But yeah, they shouldn't have to try four legs to get blood out of a dog.
08-30-2014 09:06 PM
onyx'girl
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The techs I know will do a jugular draw if the dog is known to be hard to stick. I also shave the dog's forelegs if I know they are getting blood drawn.
Kacie has had her blood drawn via jugular(long coat). Poor Karlo is a walking pincushion, he's had his legs shaved for a month and they still can't always get a good flow sample. I can get his subQ's in him easily however!
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