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09-10-2014 04:36 PM
Girl_Loves_Hydraulics
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Originally Posted by DJEtzel View Post
You'd be surprised at how many farmers around here herd with dogs.

There is a tending trainer for GSDs specifically about a half hour away who doesn't advertise, a handful of farmers that will do some training here or there on their ducks/flock that use BCs on there farms in surrounding cities that don't advertise. One an hour away that does advertise but is hard to schedule time with.

My uncle owns a farm and does a lot of cattle work/moving pastures with borders and aussies.

Pass a sheep farm on my way to work that herds with his Border Collies, no idea if he would train or not. Usually knowing a farmer that does a little training will help connect you with other farmers that will do it or have different stock (ducks, sheep, cows)...

I'm not sure what you mean by this... was a specific trainer mentioned? "but this one, I've never heard of."

I don't know any within hours of the OP though, I don't herd much and am on the other side of the state.
You are right...I work with a lot of farmers since I am in the hydraulic industry. Actually just helped a farmer locally with his watering system for his crops...He had to replace 50 low speed high torque motors, and I had to go on site to spec it out. He actually has a bunch of Aussies that he uses to herd his sheep and goats. He offers training, but he had advised me with his time limitations, it's a referral only kind of thing and depends on what the season is like. I learned a long time ago, some of the very best people do not need to advertise due to things like demand and time limitations. I've been on 8 farms in the last 3 months, and all but 2 of them had some sort of herding dog on there doing something. Farmers are a wonderful resource, and if you can buddy up with one, I would do so ASAP. They can be tough and hard to get to know, but once you do, they are just the greatest.
09-10-2014 04:20 PM
DJEtzel
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Originally Posted by martemchik View Post
Yeah...go call random farmers and see how many of them 1) are sheep farmers 2) herd with dogs 3) train other people to herd their flock.

No offense...unless you've actually tried it...don't give advice. I know someone that has a flock of sheep...she'd never allow a strange dog around her sheep.

Herding trainers advertise...they're just few and far in between.

DJ...you're in Michigan...do you know of any secret farmer herding trainers? You're also fairly connected in the dog world...with herding dogs. I'd be surprised if you haven't heard of at least one of them. I know that a lot of time dog trainers are passed on through connections...but this one, I've never heard of. I've been involved for 4 years, have come to find a lot of trainers that I probably wouldn't have found through google...but herding, not a single one.
You'd be surprised at how many farmers around here herd with dogs.

There is a tending trainer for GSDs specifically about a half hour away who doesn't advertise, a handful of farmers that will do some training here or there on their ducks/flock that use BCs on there farms in surrounding cities that don't advertise. One an hour away that does advertise but is hard to schedule time with.

My uncle owns a farm and does a lot of cattle work/moving pastures with borders and aussies.

Pass a sheep farm on my way to work that herds with his Border Collies, no idea if he would train or not. Usually knowing a farmer that does a little training will help connect you with other farmers that will do it or have different stock (ducks, sheep, cows)...

I'm not sure what you mean by this... was a specific trainer mentioned? "but this one, I've never heard of."

I don't know any within hours of the OP though, I don't herd much and am on the other side of the state.
09-10-2014 04:09 PM
Girl_Loves_Hydraulics
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Originally Posted by martemchik View Post
Yeah...go call random farmers and see how many of them 1) are sheep farmers 2) herd with dogs 3) train other people to herd their flock.

No offense...unless you've actually tried it...don't give advice. I know someone that has a flock of sheep...she'd never allow a strange dog around her sheep.

Herding trainers advertise...they're just few and far in between.
First off, again, no one said "Hey stranger go to a farm and let your dog run loose on them". That is something YOU came up with on your own. Secondly, I don't know if maybe everyone around your neck of the woods is a total jerk, but around here they are not. I buy a lot from local farmers, and they are more than willing to point you in the right direction IF YOU ASK.

But once again, you make assumptions on my intentions. And I don't think the advice I gave is anything crazy or wacky or dangerous ahhhhhhh. Picking up the phone to reach out to someone that could point you in the right direction is never a bad thing. Anyways...
09-10-2014 04:05 PM
martemchik Yeah...go call random farmers and see how many of them 1) are sheep farmers 2) herd with dogs 3) train other people to herd their flock.

No offense...unless you've actually tried it...don't give advice. I know someone that has a flock of sheep...she'd never allow a strange dog around her sheep.

Herding trainers advertise...they're just few and far in between.

DJ...you're in Michigan...do you know of any secret farmer herding trainers? You're also fairly connected in the dog world...with herding dogs. I'd be surprised if you haven't heard of at least one of them. I know that a lot of time dog trainers are passed on through connections...but this one, I've never heard of. I've been involved for 4 years, have come to find a lot of trainers that I probably wouldn't have found through google...but herding, not a single one.
09-10-2014 04:04 PM
DJEtzel
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Originally Posted by martemchik View Post
You realize you need a trainer to teach your dog to herd right?

Just letting your shepherd go into a flock of sheep...especially one that isn't dog broke is extremely dangerous and pointless. What's the point of just letting your dog run around sheep if you're not going to train it to actually control the flock?
...She said she was going to reach out to a local farmer... Never mentioned letting her dog loose on a flock of sheep. I mean, c'mon...
09-10-2014 04:03 PM
Girl_Loves_Hydraulics BTW I am not intending any disrespect, because you offer good advice. But you realize that you keep making assumptions about things that I say often right? I know sometimes I kind of babble on, and I accept that fault about myself. But do you realize that intentionally or unintentionally, that you come off as incredibly condescending? I know there are lots of people out that whose intelligence should be questioned, but please do not make that assumption of me. If you don't care, that is fine. Just wanted to bring it up because sometimes people don't realize they are doing something until someone tells them. Once again, MOVING ON.
09-10-2014 03:57 PM
Girl_Loves_Hydraulics
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Originally Posted by martemchik View Post
You realize you need a trainer to teach your dog to herd right?

Just letting your shepherd go into a flock of sheep...especially one that isn't dog broke is extremely dangerous and pointless. What's the point of just letting your dog run around sheep if you're not going to train it to actually control the flock?

Really, you need a trainer to train?? NO wayyy lol sorry couldn't resist...Of course I realize that! What I am saying though is a lot of people who are respectable trainers and such DO NOT advertise as they do not need to. My uncle made the suggestion to reach out to a farmer to see what they do. My apologies, I am just not used to having to explain every aspect of an answer I will just shut up now and moving on.
09-10-2014 03:53 PM
martemchik
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Originally Posted by Girl_Loves_Hydraulics View Post
I definitely am, but I'm located in Metro Detroit. There's a few farmers out here that have a lot of working dogs more in the northern part...My uncle who herds (he's just too far, way up in the UP), and he suggested this. Reach out to a local farmer or something of that nature if you absolutely have no resources. I am going to keep my eye on this thread though, and happy herding!!!
You realize you need a trainer to teach your dog to herd right?

Just letting your shepherd go into a flock of sheep...especially one that isn't dog broke is extremely dangerous and pointless. What's the point of just letting your dog run around sheep if you're not going to train it to actually control the flock?
09-10-2014 03:51 PM
Girl_Loves_Hydraulics
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I'll check it out. So anyone else interested in trying herding?
I definitely am, but I'm located in Metro Detroit. There's a few farmers out here that have a lot of working dogs more in the northern part...My uncle who herds (he's just too far, way up in the UP), and he suggested this. Reach out to a local farmer or something of that nature if you absolutely have no resources. I am going to keep my eye on this thread though, and happy herding!!!
08-31-2014 10:47 AM
Ltleo I'm northern
N.J
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