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08-31-2014 07:55 AM
ksotto333 I'm responsible for having large dogs, my decision, full responsibility. I would not have gotten German Shepherds if I didn't have the resources to exercise them. I don't see how the government or anyone else owes dog owners a place to allow their dogs to run. Why rant after the fact, investigate before or do something about it. I'm sure the jogger kept stewing about the 'what if' and that's why he was so angry even after apology.
08-31-2014 04:04 AM
arycrest 1. I was not expecting the man to come jogging down this road.
And the man probably wasn't expecting to be meeting up with an off lead GSD running toward him!

2. The man was jogging... Not walking not crawling... A slow run, so by the time I saw him he had already past this "opening" between the two patches of trees.
Lots of people run and jog these days. All the more reason to be aware of your surroundings when your pup is off lead in an area where people aren't expecting to meet a dog, large or small, running loose.

3. The space between Bob and this man was about 5 feet... Bob did not jump, did not make any advances other that a few jaunting steps forward.
I've had GSDs for over 40 years, I adore the breed, BUT if a strange one was running towards me, I'd be nervous too if it got as close as you say Bob did (5 feet).

4. I am not one to take negativity lightly so when someone reacts this way to me, whether it be about my dogs, my cats, my kids ... I will respond in defence of myself.
The man did NOT say or do anything that should have caused you to feel defensive ... he was obviously uncomfortable that you allowed your pup to run up towards him in an area where he wasn't expecting to see a dog off lead.

5. ""You know its a bylaw that dogs need to be on a leash!!" "
Nothing wrong with this ... I assume it was a statement of fact.

6. ""Especially dogs like THAT""
Not everyone likes large breeds, some people don't like GSDs, some people are afraid of big dogs, some people are afraid of GSDs. Again, he didn't say or do anything that should have made you feel defensive.

7. "My main issue was how this man handled it even AFTER I apologized.. and also that there are not more options for me to take my dogs places that arnt over populated. "
I don't see where the man did or said anything wrong before or after your apology.

It's not his fault that there are no more options for places you can take your dog. FWIW I hope you can find a great place where you and Bob can have a fantastic time and not have to worry about people!!!

9. "I posted my rant in the heat of the moment. I get over sensitive I guess you could say when it comes to the dogs. "
Perfectly understandable ... but IMHO you should stop making excuses for what happened.
08-29-2014 10:41 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by bob_barker View Post
Like I said in my original post, I called him and he came to my side.
The area I took him... Again was a dead end road which I have had no issue with up until that day, all the times I had gone there there was not a person to be seen, not a house on the road not a vehicle in sight.
So
1. I was not expecting the man to come jogging down this road.

Unless I own the property, I pretty much expect that if I am somewhere, then someone else might come along too.

2. Where the water is in comparison to the road, there are trees blocking the sight of the road on either side all you can see is directly ahead, a little pathway.

This is actually a good argument for having the dog on lead.

3. The man was jogging... Not walking not crawling... A slow run, so by the time I saw him he had already past this "opening" between the two patches of trees.

I used to cycle a lot. I can guaranty you that a cyclist would come up quicker and quieter than your jogger, and yes, unless you have been an avid cyclist, or runner, then you may not have the same impatience with people who allow their dogs to come up to people.

4. The space between Bob and this man was about 5 feet... Bob did not jump, did not make any advances other that a few jaunting steps forward.

The OP kind of read like your dog ran right up to the guy. Communication is on the speaker/writer and not so much on the listener/reader. So, maybe we should look at the OP and wonder why people are having a cow about this.

5. I am not one to take negativity lightly so when someone reacts this way to me, whether it be about my dogs, my cats, my kids ... I will respond in defence of myself.

Unfortunately, once the defenses rise up, our ability to learn from an incident or conversation usually diminishes considerably.

Again! I understand *I* was the one in the wrong and technically Bob should have been on a leash since we were not in an "assigned" off leash area.
My main issue was how this man handled it even AFTER I apologized.. and also that there are not more options for me to take my dogs places that arnt over populated.

It sounds like the man handled it verbally. Did he swear at you? Did he threaten to kill you or your dog? Did he call the police or Animal Control? Did he go to the city council and ask that signs forbidding off-leash dogs be errected there and enforcement of it be increased? Did he start a petition to ban dogs of specific breeds or over a certain weight? You apologized. He may have dropped a load in his pants. An apology isn't always an even trade off.


I posted my rant in the heat of the moment. I get over sensitive I guess you could say when it comes to the dogs.

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If you want your location to have more options for dogs to be off lead, what have you done to make this happen? Have you raised money for land, improvements, and enforcement? Have you contacted your assemblyman and discussed your desire for more off-lead areas? Have you connected with local training or dog clubs to improve and increase facilities and access? Have you colored within the lines, so that people do not have any more of a negative opinion of dogs off lead? Have you purchased a plot of land and donated it to your locale specifically for an off-lead area?

Resources are limited. What resources are spent on depends on who does what to make that happen. It doesn't just come about. People work behind the scenes to make things happen. You have identified a need in your area. What are you going to do about it?
08-29-2014 10:15 PM
bob_barker
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OP, I don't understand why you didn't just call Bob back to you? .
Like I said in my original post, I called him and he came to my side.
The area I took him... Again was a dead end road which I have had no issue with up until that day, all the times I had gone there there was not a person to be seen, not a house on the road not a vehicle in sight.
So
1. I was not expecting the man to come jogging down this road.
2. Where the water is in comparison to the road, there are trees blocking the sight of the road on either side all you can see is directly ahead, a little pathway.
3. The man was jogging... Not walking not crawling... A slow run, so by the time I saw him he had already past this "opening" between the two patches of trees.
4. The space between Bob and this man was about 5 feet... Bob did not jump, did not make any advances other that a few jaunting steps forward.
5. I am not one to take negativity lightly so when someone reacts this way to me, whether it be about my dogs, my cats, my kids ... I will respond in defence of myself.

Again! I understand *I* was the one in the wrong and technically Bob should have been on a leash since we were not in an "assigned" off leash area.
My main issue was how this man handled it even AFTER I apologized.. and also that there are not more options for me to take my dogs places that arnt over populated.

I posted my rant in the heat of the moment. I get over sensitive I guess you could say when it comes to the dogs.

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08-29-2014 01:05 PM
wolfy dog Sorry doesn't mean anything to me when a dog that I don't know or can read runs up to me and my dog. It just means that the dog was not under voice control and should not have been off leash.
The jogger was right.
08-29-2014 12:54 PM
Ltleo People now days, over react with any dog that is not a small toy. Even though, 8-out of 10 times those are the ones who are unruly and or aggressive/territorial.
I go to parks, and I am a licensed ACI (animal cruelty investigator) and work/play with my GSD. Now, I use a e-collar and my dog is proofed with commands. Even if another dog would run up to him I will down him and he will not move. I can't tell you how many nasty comments I get, from people asking me to leave the area. As it is in the dog park area and their dogs are inside, while I am out side away from the fence a good 25 -50 yards. Their dogs won't stop barking at mine, as mine just ignores. People walk buy, pick up,their dogs, throw out nasty comments, get together inside the dog park, and all point, thill they get brave and throw out they will call the police. It's very hard to ignore. Sometimes, I will even throw out that I work for the state, and the "police" will refer to me when it comes to this situation. Leash laws, state, dog at large/ control. If your dog obeys you are fine. You are allowed to train and hike though you do accept responsibility if something happens.
That leads me to the people that then will purposely bring their leashes dog up to me and mine with out alerting just to "see" what or if my dog will react.
08-29-2014 12:27 PM
jafo220
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Originally Posted by bob_barker View Post
Which my dog is or else I wouldn't be letting him off leash.
Like I said he wasn't making any approach other than "jaunting" up to him .... If that. And again the second I called him to me he was there.


I guess I'm just clueless.

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It's basically simple. I understand you're point of view. But you also have to look at their point of view also. Their view is that they don't know your dog. It could also be they have had a bad experience prior to running into your dog.

I went to a house to ask permission to hunt their property awhile back. They have a detached garage converted into an office with sliding glass door. I pulled up and seen the door was slid open a little. I walked up and said hello with no response. So I went to the front door of the house. Has a raised porch. Knocked on the door and waited. Went to turn around and at the bottom of the stairs was an adult GSD staring back up at me. Not growling just staring. Came from nowhere. He was between me and my truck. I was crapping my pants. No one home, large dog with unknown intentions between me and my truck. All this and I've been around GSD's most my life. All dogs are different and unknown when first met.

Can't blame the guy really.
08-29-2014 12:01 PM
Blanketback Middleofnowhere, I know what you mean (being ancient myself, lol) but probably the dogs back then were so used to having the freedom of being off leash that it wasn't such a big deal to them either. So people were used to them being around, and the dogs were used to being loose. The roamers in my current neighborhood, for example, don't pay attention to people - they just do what they like, and go where they want to go. I've never been bothered intentionally by the dogs that are allowed to roam here, except for having to clean up after them.
08-29-2014 11:32 AM
martemchik
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Originally Posted by middleofnowhere View Post
On the dogs running amuck thing.... I'm ancient so I remember when dogs were just loose. There are some communities where that's still the way it is. I don't think the world came to an end back then. I think our dogs were a bit more mellow, easier with people and other dogs because they were so used to them.
Actually no. The more likely thing was that just like today 95% of dogs are fine with people and other dogs. So if they ran around, it's all good. But then there's the other 5% that people let run just like the other dogs and didn't care much that they weren't alright with people or dogs. Those dogs got in trouble, bit someone, bit a few people, communities got sick and tired of it, and made laws against it.

Only reason you didn't hear about it was because a local dog bite from a small city in California didn't make the newspaper in Chicago. Today, it gets thrown on the internet and shows up in my Facebook feed 3 hours after happening.
08-29-2014 11:27 AM
middleofnowhere On the dogs running amuck thing.... I'm ancient so I remember when dogs were just loose. There are some communities where that's still the way it is. I don't think the world came to an end back then. I think our dogs were a bit more mellow, easier with people and other dogs because they were so used to them.
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