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08-29-2014 11:55 AM
zyppi FYI, as long as you're not working a dog where certain commands are part of the tasks, you can train with any commands you choose. Just be consistent.

I trained mine with German commands, but my husband tells them the same in english. I wouldn't confuse a dog with that until they already knew and obeys one set of commands.

German Shepherds are capable of quite a vocabulary.
08-29-2014 11:33 AM
emmers
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Originally Posted by David Taggart View Post
GSDs have amazingly good memory. With a right training any average GSD can learn up to 300 different words before 1 year old. Here is a rule: You can use several words for one and the same thing, but should never use one and the same command for diffrent things. Sometimes it helps you to differentuate, for instance - train "Platz" first in association with laying down from sitting position, start to ask "Down" for laying down from standing position. The most confusing command for any dog is "No". It is used for too many things, and the majority of dogs understand it as "Your punishment is coming, beware!". So, you can use German word to stop your dog's intention to sniff another person, use English to stop him barking at dogs, and use Chinese to stop him chasing a cat, etc., this list might not have any end. German commands are popular because of their sound. German words are sharp and short, and by pronouncing them you learn to discipline yourself first of all. So called commanding tone ( that is another subject) could be acquired faster - not too loud, firm and authoritative, it should be easily recognized by your dog. Your dog knows that he hears a command by hearing certain intonation, and you control yourself by pronouncing German words. When you are outing your dog - you shouldn't yell.
You definitely have some information that I didn't think about. Thanks! I'm with you--I don't yell at him for anything but "NO" so that he knows I'm serious. I had someone tell me that dogs don't need for you to tell because they can hear well enough, and I agree with that completely, so there are many things that I tell him quietly enough for only him to hear.
08-29-2014 11:31 AM
emmers
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Originally Posted by canyadoit View Post
Why give others the ability to command your dog ?

By using common words and phrases that is exactly the 'door' you open. The dog dose not the definition a a word . It knows cause and effect.

For example , I caution folks on the command phrase ' Go for a car ride ' . In my opinion a easy way to get a dog stolen .
Oh, I agree. He doesn't have any say in the words I use to train my dog, trust me. Fortunately/unfortunately, I'm typically the only person my dog listens to. It comes in handy at times (such as in the example of not having him get stolen), but it gets difficult when he won't listen to my boyfriend... We'll be working on that to an extent. I'm trying to give him some English commands in addition to my German commands so that others can command him if need be in certain situations. They would be basic commands such as sit, down, stay, etc., not serious ones like going for a ride or anything like that (I don't even use that as a command, and I'd be cautious, too!).
08-29-2014 11:28 AM
emmers
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Originally Posted by middleofnowhere View Post
Gosh, you just needed to spew a bunch of German at the guy. Never mind if it made no sense at all.... All I remember from my HS german is "have you gone to the post office?" Or a phrase in English that says "I don't give a rat's butt what you think about the words I use."
THAT just made my day. hahaha. I should really do that if he decides to say anything else!
08-27-2014 04:49 PM
David Taggart GSDs have amazingly good memory. With a right training any average GSD can learn up to 300 different words before 1 year old. Here is a rule: You can use several words for one and the same thing, but should never use one and the same command for diffrent things. Sometimes it helps you to differentuate, for instance - train "Platz" first in association with laying down from sitting position, start to ask "Down" for laying down from standing position. The most confusing command for any dog is "No". It is used for too many things, and the majority of dogs understand it as "Your punishment is coming, beware!". So, you can use German word to stop your dog's intention to sniff another person, use English to stop him barking at dogs, and use Chinese to stop him chasing a cat, etc., this list might not have any end. German commands are popular because of their sound. German words are sharp and short, and by pronouncing them you learn to discipline yourself first of all. So called commanding tone ( that is another subject) could be acquired faster - not too loud, firm and authoritative, it should be easily recognized by your dog. Your dog knows that he hears a command by hearing certain intonation, and you control yourself by pronouncing German words. When you are outing your dog - you shouldn't yell.
08-27-2014 04:03 PM
canyadoit Why give others the ability to command your dog ?

By using common words and phrases that is exactly the 'door' you open. The dog dose not the definition a a word . It knows cause and effect.

For example , I caution folks on the command phrase ' Go for a car ride ' . In my opinion a easy way to get a dog stolen .
08-27-2014 12:18 PM
middleofnowhere Gosh, you just needed to spew a bunch of German at the guy. Never mind if it made no sense at all.... All I remember from my HS german is "have you gone to the post office?" Or a phrase in English that says "I don't give a rat's butt what you think about the words I use."
08-27-2014 10:16 AM
emmers
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Originally Posted by Juliem24 View Post
My parents and family were German speaking, and spoke a combination of German English idioms. ( kinda like Spanglish) Platz was frequently used, as in "he platzed himself down". Or, in my case, " don't platz down like that"...like a ruffian!
I'm sure that the dialect was Milwaukee, though! Always with a shot and a chaser within reach.
The last sentence seriously made me laugh out loud. I'm glad to know that that's how your family used the word, too! Thanks for your experience!
08-27-2014 10:12 AM
emmers
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Originally Posted by lhczth View Post
My friend laughed and said the words used make perfect sense. She has no idea why someone would say they were wrong unless they had no understanding of German.
THANK YOU and please thank your friend for me. I'm glad to know that I'm not totally off my rocker. haha. The guy said that he was "fluent in German" and "lived there for eight years," but who ever knows who ever knows who's being honest and who's not.
08-27-2014 10:09 AM
emmers
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Originally Posted by car2ner View Post
Our trainer is from Germany. My hubby is fluent in German. These are the terms used in Germany so we use them as a convenience as most people in the sport use them. I don't really know why someone would complain about which term you use. Maybe they just wanted to sound like an expert.

Even in the sport we use some different words, we use Fass while some use Pucken for the bite. Some use Revier and some use Voran for running the blinds.
I didn't know why he wanted to complain, either. We train at two different clubs, and this particular club isn't even for sport. I had our trainer at this club tell me that she thought my dog couldn't do CGC yet because his reward was a ball, and he is "too bouncy." Lol. I guess they just aren't used to sport stuff. That's my only guess. I think he did want to sound like an expert, too.

Those different commands were some I was thinking about earlier this morning when someone mentioned that she used "voran" to get her dog to alert/bark. I'm beginning to think it's mostly just the German-to-English slang and dependent on the person who uses said commands. They all seem to have close enough meanings, from what I've gathered from you guys.

Thank you for the input!
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