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08-26-2014 08:34 PM
RiverDan Just FYI. We only use tick, flea prevention during non-winter months. Same goes for HW.
Southern Ontario.
We use Advantix2 for fleas/ticks. Heartgard for HW. I haven't seen a tick this year. Last year we pulled off maybe a dozen. We were using revolution last year.
Advantix2 works very well. I have watched mosquitoes avoid the dogs.
08-26-2014 07:52 PM
GSD Owner in Training :-) [QUOTE=carmspack;5944849]David and others , please investigate some other preventive that does not have ]About Ivermectin [/URL] Overview

May I ask what you use Carmen?
08-26-2014 07:13 PM
gsdsar
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Originally Posted by GSD Owner in Training :-) View Post
Well I feel like a dummy. So ya there is no tick prevention with the multi and I so thought there was. He goes to see the vet on Saturday for his bloodworm to check for heart worms, ticks, etc. so I will talk to the vet about proper prevention and what to get.

On a side NOTE/RANT :

Was reading the packaging on Advantage Multi and really do not like their testing. They used 5x and 10x the amounted on tested dogs to find out what reactions would be. I am very much AGAINST animal testing and think it is absolutely cruel that they used innocent dogs to test this product on. And it states all animals were ok at the end of the 4 week testing period but doesn't mention health wise for the remainder of their life. It also said some dogs threw up, others had tremors, ran in circles, muscle issues, and it went away before the end of the 4 week period. Whether the signs go away or not that was disgusting what they did to that test group and I am not happy about it and will likely not go with Advantage multi again after reading that.
Sorry for my rant.

Every medicine, every FDA approved drug goes through the same testing. It's how we know how much chocolate or Rimadyl is a lethal dose. They have to find that out. They have to know what dose causes side effects. It sucks. But all meds go through this.
08-26-2014 05:20 PM
David Winners Now you went and got me researching Carmen
08-26-2014 11:35 AM
GSD Owner in Training :-) Well I feel like a dummy. So ya there is no tick prevention with the multi and I so thought there was. He goes to see the vet on Saturday for his bloodworm to check for heart worms, ticks, etc. so I will talk to the vet about proper prevention and what to get.

On a side NOTE/RANT :

Was reading the packaging on Advantage Multi and really do not like their testing. They used 5x and 10x the amounted on tested dogs to find out what reactions would be. I am very much AGAINST animal testing and think it is absolutely cruel that they used innocent dogs to test this product on. And it states all animals were ok at the end of the 4 week testing period but doesn't mention health wise for the remainder of their life. It also said some dogs threw up, others had tremors, ran in circles, muscle issues, and it went away before the end of the 4 week period. Whether the signs go away or not that was disgusting what they did to that test group and I am not happy about it and will likely not go with Advantage multi again after reading that.
Sorry for my rant.
08-26-2014 02:36 AM
Magwart If ticks are a problem, one further thought:

Advantage Multi doesn't protect against ticks. If you separate your HW protection from your flea/tick protection, you could use a product during the summer that would protect against the ticks (Vectra3D or something along those lines). It might be much better targeted to your environmental risks.

Your vet can guide you on this -- and on your seasonal concerns. I have to do year round (we get mosquitoes even in January...), but in Canada, it's quite likely that you do not.
08-26-2014 02:03 AM
GSD Owner in Training :-) Thanks for all the info everyone. We will be talking to our vet in the next few weeks as I am having Kato taken infor the heartworm testing (as for some reason they did not do it at his year and a half check up/needles). He has never been tested before so I am crossing my fingers he is ok. We only do the advantage multi from April to October since winter is to cold. And our vet said not to worry to much about heartwork as it's very rare where we live. But that ticks are a much higher concern. Still nervous for his blood test though.

Should I be using the preventative year round if we have really cold winters?
08-26-2014 01:25 AM
Magwart One other point of research -- Washington University's MDR-1 researchers say at Heartguard-level doses, even MDR-1 dogs are safe:
Drugs reported to cause problems in dogs that carry the MDR1 mutation. Information from the VCPL at Washington State University.

Excerpt:
  • Ivermectin (antiparasitic agent). While the dose of ivermectin used to prevent heartworm infection is SAFE in dogs with the mutation (6 micrograms per kilogram), higher doses, such as those used for treating mange (300-600 micrograms per kilogram) will cause neurological toxicity in dogs that are homozygous for the MDR1 mutation (mutant/mutant) and can cause toxicity in dogs that are heterozygous for the mutation (mutant/normal).
08-26-2014 01:08 AM
Magwart In a non-MDR1 dog, I've never seen a GSD have an adverse reaction to ivermectin at the dose in HW prevention products. The shelter I volunteered at gave Ivermectin to close to 200 of them over several years. I know some GSDs are supposed to have MDR1, but we never saw any of them react badly to the ivermectin. Possibilities: (1) MDR1 is very rare in GSDs, or (2) the dose was too low to trigger a reaction, or (3) the reaction was so mild no one noticed it. I'd have expected to see at least occasional reactions in the shelter GSDs treated with ivermectin here, as it's quite commonly used in many shelters in the region (because it's cheap). I'm curious whether any GSDs here on the board have reacted at the (very low) Heartguard-level dose?

I *have* seen a problem in a GSD adolescent that was treated with cattle Ivomec by someone who wanted to save a few dollars by treating the dog with farm medicine--he gave the dog much too high a dose. Overdosing with ivermectin can cause Progressive Retinal Atrophy, which leads eventually to irreversible blindness. I fostered a dog this had happened to--he was going blind due to his prior owner's negligence. It takes far, far more ivermectin to do that than the Heartguard-type products contain, at least in an non-MDR1 dog, according to the ophthalmologist who treated the dog. It might happen when people buy Ivomec at a feed store and think they know how to do the dosing calculation...and end up being wrong. The dog pays the price for the human not being able to do math.
08-26-2014 12:37 AM
LifeofRiley @ Carmen - I believe the only risk in using Ivermectin is for dogs that have the MDR-1 mutation. And, that risk is really only of concern at doses that are far higher than the monthly HW treatment... i.e. doses necessary to treat mange. Magwart is correct, Ivermectin is the most studied and widely used HW preventive.
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