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08-29-2014 09:02 AM
TEZPUR1976 Dear martemchik,
The interaction with u was very helpful. I researched the pedigree of several dogs from some of the top kennels here in India. Some of them have Schutzhund titled dogs in their pedigree, but none of the dogs that are used for breeding seem to be schutzhund or ipo titled. So there is no chance of getting a litter born to scutzhund titled parents. At best i can get a pup with working titled dogs 3 generations back. So thats it!

Now i understand why the breeder, to whom i talked, said that getting a pup with guarding ability will be purely a 50:50 gamble. Some day I hope i will have enough money to import a quality working pup.

As of now i am wondering will it help if instead of gsd i go for doberman. Again same problem. There are some quality breeders, but sieger or conformation type show winners.

Given that i need a dog as a watchman and alram, will a show line doberman be a better gamble than a showline gsd. Are dobes more hyperactive and morelikely to bark (or even bite) unknown person? Have you worked with dobes

Your opinion will be of great help.

Best

Santanu
08-28-2014 10:11 PM
TEZPUR1976 Thanks a lot scfang and martemchik.

Dear scfang pls give me the moblie number of Mr Sachi Rawte. You may mail it to my email tezpur1976@gmail.com

I visited Sachins youtube page. A working line Malinois can also be a great alternative (thanks for the suggestion). I already have straight back gsd.



Best
Santanu
08-28-2014 11:09 AM
scfang Hi Santanu,

Which part of India are you at? I met a gentlemen from Mumbai a few months ago in Mia Skogster seminar in Singapore, he trained and titled his dog, but mainly Malinois. Occasionally, he breeds too. You probably want to contact him and see if he has any recommendation for GSD. His Facebook link is https://www.facebook.com/sachin.rawte.5 If you need his mobile number, please let me know and I can PM you.

In fact he is getting Ivan Balabanov to be in Mumbai for a seminar in Nov, if you can you should try to attend.
08-28-2014 11:04 AM
martemchik Although it would help…I’m not sure that having Schutzhund titles three generations back in the pedigree will give you any idea of the dog’s guarding ability. The best bet is if the parents have them. But a lot of dogs have Schutzhund titles way back in their pedigrees and could work at all at this point. As a pedigree reader, you have no idea which dogs out of that litter were bred to get to yours, and without seeing those titles on the parents…it’s not a guarantee.

I also know of a few dogs, that you’d be shocked to learn they come from IPO3 parents. Which is why you really have to do your research, and get a dog from a kennel known for producing the type of dog you want.

If you have the funds, I’d strongly recommend importing.
08-28-2014 01:57 AM
TEZPUR1976 I was given the contact of Mr. Ajay Singh, from vom.patiala kennel, I contacted him yesterday.

My suspicion turned out to be correct. Mr Singh informed me that he cannot recommend any guard dog or protection gsd breeder in India, as there is no credible way to judge what they are breeding.

Hence I back to my original point. Look credible breeders, with proven working dogs in the pedigree of their breeding stock. That seems to be the feasible option in India. How far that is useful is something look forward to know?

Best

Santanu

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08-27-2014 10:51 PM
lalachka I think castlemaid gave you a link for an ipo (schutzhund breeder)
08-27-2014 10:43 PM
TEZPUR1976 Dear martemchik,
Thanks a lot for the clarification. Yes true there is often misunderstanding on the part of the owner (specially 1st timer) that what he/she wants from the canine?

Like i described, i am not an expert, but it is very clear to be what role i want my gsd to play. Now given the confusion with term "guard dog" for the novice owner can we coin some new new terms pls which will make it clear for breeders, owners and trainers to communicate better.
Let us call the dogs of my type (as described in the earlier post) "deterrent dogs" to distinguish from PPD.

In your last post you mention two more important things that 99 percent of dogs with sch breeding and training will do that.

Now let us revisit my first post. Given that i want a deterrent dog, so is it wise to look for Schutzhund titled dogs in the pedigree ? Please clarify.
(It is important as I have clarified that there seems to be no specialist Schutzhund breeder in India)

Best
Santanu
08-27-2014 03:39 PM
martemchik A lot of times when we get people to ask about protection/guard dogs, they are talking about dogs that will lay down their life for you. So your idea is different than that. You’re looking for a deterrent, which is great. You just need a dog with solid nerve, one that can put on a show, scare people, alert you in the meantime, ect. If the bite/fight isn’t as important to you, I can almost say that 99% of dogs from a Schutzhund breeding will do what you want with the proper training.

Like I said, most people won’t challenge that type of dog anyways, and it sounds like that’s all you want. For your purposes, watching the dogs bark, growl, sleeve work, is all that matters. The “show” is all that matters.
08-27-2014 01:39 PM
Castlemaid This is Ajay's website:

vom Patiala German Shepherds | Breeder of Working-line German Shepherds

You can email him through the "Contact Us" page.
08-27-2014 01:23 PM
TEZPUR1976 Dear Chris,
Please give me the contact of Mr. Ajay Singh and oblige.

Now coming back to the issues raised by "martemchik" I fully agree to what he has to say.

But let us just for a moment pretend that we are not talking about Dogs rather want to appoint a good watchman to guard my gates. I want him to be brave and trustworthy for sure. i will expect from him is the following

1. For any suspicious activity should raise an alarm, and alert us.

2. Do not allow unknown people to enter the campus.

3. Should be loyal, and trustworthy so that we can leave our kids home safely with him.

Whether he is an expert in Karate or Kungfu and can actually tackle armed robbers is another issue. If does excellent, nothing like it. I will not be unhappy, if he raises alarm but even after that the burglars attack him and forces him to retreat.

I believe there is no defense against a group of armed bandits who are not afraid to get hurt.

No lock is unbreakable. But I think the idea behind installing locks, keeping alarm or guard dog is to make the job of burglars more difficult.

These are just my honest feeling.

I love this forum

best Santanu
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