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08-23-2014 06:59 PM
jafo220
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Originally Posted by McWeagle View Post
Thanks for all the info, guys! I was reading the Loki needs help thread yesterday, that's what lead to all my questions. I'll take another look cuz there are probably some additions to it.

I tried a gentle leader with Frankie, and it did help, but I didn't like the way it pulled her head around. And looking at other prong related threads that discuss the various other options, I saw that the gentle leader can lead to neck injuries, so I'm glad I stopped with it. I've never tried a harness.

Most of our walks are off leash trail walks, and when she is on a leash she's usually pretty good now. When she was younger she was a terrible puller, but we've worked on it and she's not so bad anymore. Now she just pulls when she's nervous or if something unexpected (cat, running dog) catches her attention. She also pulls if she thinks she can get away with it - like if she hasn't been on a leash in a while or if someone else is handling her - so it would be good to find a tool that would stop that too.
And I want to make sure our new puppy doesn't start pulling - I'd rather it not even be an issue than have to train it out of him. (I don't mean I'll put a prong on a puppy, I just mean I'll work harder at the leash training with this guy. But will hopefully have the knowledge in a few months to use it, if needed.)

Plus our new puppy comes from lines that do well in IPO (he's from workable, athletic WGSL lines, if that's not an oxymoron ) so I was thinking about getting into that with him. I'd have to travel for training, and I don't know if I'd be good enough, but I think he probably has it in him. And it seems that a prong is the standard collar used for that, so I figured I should probably learn how to use it!
After I introduced my dog to the prong on walks, he learned very quickly how far out he could range and constantly tested it. Not hard pulling but there was always tension on the lead. Even with a prong, he still wanted to run the show on walks, but nothing like before we used the prong. He even still does this with the e-collar at times. A lot of this also stems from distractions as in your situation. My dog has a very very low threshold. He ramps up fast, o to 100 in a second. It is a challenge, but he is doing much better. We worked a little with corralling his threshold some and it helps. It's not a silver bullet though. I find it's better with him if we constantly work on obedience. If we slack off a little it starts to show. So we plug away at it as much as possible. I can say, with training consistently and everyday, we have fixed his car craze on walks. He has not looked at a car in months. Nothing brutal, just consistent training. It's our one major success.
08-23-2014 06:00 PM
llombardo
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
I prefer the martingale. I don't use prongs because my dogs tend to do well with martingales and training. They would probably do ok with prongs and training too, but I prefer martingales because I can use them anywhere, and I feel they are safer -- less chance of the prong coming undone (I have seen this happen), and no chance of them slipping their collars.
I use both. With the prong you use a larger choke collar as a safety. If the prong comes undone they still aren't going anywhere. I know the prongs can come undone, it happened with Midnite.
08-23-2014 05:57 PM
llombardo
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Originally Posted by ksotto333 View Post
Look at this website Lola Limited | Lola's Unique Dog Collars & Leashes LLC The nylon collar reinforces the prong so it can't come undone. Plus I like the way they look, we've had our for 2 1/2 years without any problems.
I got a couple of these. One is just the collar and I got one that has the leash attached. I really like them to.
08-23-2014 05:53 PM
ksotto333 Look at this website Lola Limited | Lola's Unique Dog Collars & Leashes LLC The nylon collar reinforces the prong so it can't come undone. Plus I like the way they look, we've had our for 2 1/2 years without any problems.
08-23-2014 05:06 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by McWeagle View Post
I remember back in the 80's and early 90's that a choke chain was the way to go. Then I moved away from home and didn't have a dog again until 5 years ago. Sometime between the mid-90's and mid-00's the choke chain fell out of favour because it could be dangerous to the dog. I always heard/thought the same about prong collars.

Our 5.5 year old uses a martingale because she needs the tightening the chain part provides. If we use a straight nylon collar she pulls like the devil on leash walks and with the martingale she's much better. But when we bought the martingale, the local pet store owner looked down even on that and talked badly about prongs, saying they were only for very aggressive dogs with bad owners.

But on this site, and from what I've seen at the few meetings I've been to with other GSD owners, prongs are very popular.

Why do you use a prong? What are the benefits it provides? How do you use it correctly? Are there any down-sides? Can it hurt the dog? I'm a total newbie to it so any comments, either for or against, are welcome!
I prefer the martingale. I don't use prongs because my dogs tend to do well with martingales and training. They would probably do ok with prongs and training too, but I prefer martingales because I can use them anywhere, and I feel they are safer -- less chance of the prong coming undone (I have seen this happen), and no chance of them slipping their collars.
08-23-2014 03:18 PM
McWeagle
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Originally Posted by DJEtzel View Post
If I'm walking more than one dog, even if they normally walk just fine on a leash, they're pronged- they completely outweigh me and it's my job to put our safety (and therefore the safety of others!) first. Not prove anything.
Yes! If I was walking both on leashes, they'd probably outweigh me (or will, when Nox grows up), and I was worried about getting pulled around. Especially in the winter - we get a lot of snow and our temps hover right around freezing, so we get a lot of ice too. It can be slippery on our winter walks! I don't need 2 dogs pulling me on ice! Looks like I've got some prong-collar learning to do!
08-23-2014 03:14 PM
McWeagle Thanks for all the info, guys! I was reading the Loki needs help thread yesterday, that's what lead to all my questions. I'll take another look cuz there are probably some additions to it.

I tried a gentle leader with Frankie, and it did help, but I didn't like the way it pulled her head around. And looking at other prong related threads that discuss the various other options, I saw that the gentle leader can lead to neck injuries, so I'm glad I stopped with it. I've never tried a harness.

Most of our walks are off leash trail walks, and when she is on a leash she's usually pretty good now. When she was younger she was a terrible puller, but we've worked on it and she's not so bad anymore. Now she just pulls when she's nervous or if something unexpected (cat, running dog) catches her attention. She also pulls if she thinks she can get away with it - like if she hasn't been on a leash in a while or if someone else is handling her - so it would be good to find a tool that would stop that too.
And I want to make sure our new puppy doesn't start pulling - I'd rather it not even be an issue than have to train it out of him. (I don't mean I'll put a prong on a puppy, I just mean I'll work harder at the leash training with this guy. But will hopefully have the knowledge in a few months to use it, if needed.)

Plus our new puppy comes from lines that do well in IPO (he's from workable, athletic WGSL lines, if that's not an oxymoron ) so I was thinking about getting into that with him. I'd have to travel for training, and I don't know if I'd be good enough, but I think he probably has it in him. And it seems that a prong is the standard collar used for that, so I figured I should probably learn how to use it!
08-23-2014 02:46 PM
DJEtzel
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Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
I always use a prong to train certain things. It is not a "last resort" tool for me, it just works for how I train and certain skills. I'll also walk my dogs using prong collars when I am grossly outweighed by dog. My dogs are all nice, trained dogs but I put safety first and prove their training and temperament in competition, not walking around the neigborhood. All my dogs come running to me when they hear a prong collar jingle.
I agree with this too! If I'm walking more than one dog, even if they normally walk just fine on a leash, they're pronged- they completely outweigh me and it's my job to put our safety (and therefore the safety of others!) first. Not prove anything.
08-23-2014 02:19 PM
jafo220 Oh, and I am also refering to a gentle lead also in my previous posts. They both work on the same principal, just hooked on to a different area of the body.

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08-23-2014 02:17 PM
jafo220
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Originally Posted by llombardo View Post
Abrasions like the pit area of the dog? If that is the case then the harness was fitted way wrong IMO. I can't think of any other area on the dog that this might happen.
Yeh in the pit area. There is less hair resulting in more harness strap to bare skin contact. It doesn't necessarily have to fit wrong if the dog pulls enough. I've used several different harnesses and the front hook up type can do this. When I used body harnesses that the lead hooks to the back, no issues. Same for the gentle leader. Yes, on both, the harnesses are designed to pull either the dogs body to one side or muzzle to one side to decrease their ability to pull with full force and probably to discourage also. But depending on the dog and why he is pulling those harnesses can still cause injury if not used properly. That means used along with training. That's what I'm trying to say. Nothing wrong with the harnesses themselves. I have both kinds. I went back to a flat collar and lead with the e-collar. Again, not downing these harnesses, just a word of caution if used wrong.

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