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08-25-2014 10:23 PM
lalachka
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Originally Posted by LifeofRiley View Post
Lala… you certainly raise interesting topics!

I doubt that most people on here would say their dogs are perfect. But, it is human nature for people to speak more to their own (and their dogs’) strengths vs. weaknesses.

I do not believe there is such a thing as absolute “perfection” in dogs or humans.

A good quote on this topic (from a German no less ):
“Certain flaws are necessary for the whole. It would seem strange if old friends lacked certain quirks.”
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
there's def no perfection
and I love quirks, that's what makes us who we are and not robots.

I just find it interesting that people are faster to admit to their flaws (bad trainer) than their dog's (bad nerves)
I think ApselBear has it with his number 4 but it's interesting why it's this way.
why is it easier for people to admit they suck as an owner than to admit their dogs lack nerve?

it's not like having or lacking nerve is their accomplishment or shortcoming.

as far as interesting topics. lol if you only knew what brews in my head. this isn't the place to unload so I limit the philosophy and psychology. but sometimes it bugs me too much)))))
08-25-2014 09:07 PM
LifeofRiley Lala… you certainly raise interesting topics!

I doubt that most people on here would say their dogs are perfect. But, it is human nature for people to speak more to their own (and their dogs’) strengths vs. weaknesses.

I do not believe there is such a thing as absolute “perfection” in dogs or humans.

A good quote on this topic (from a German no less ):
“Certain flaws are necessary for the whole. It would seem strange if old friends lacked certain quirks.”
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
08-25-2014 06:07 PM
lalachka
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Originally Posted by ApselBear View Post
As far as the whole selective breeding thing, I think there are a lot of people on here who foam at the mouth for a chance to bash a byb rather than just simply educate newer owners on what they could look for in future dog purchases. There are many reasons why certain dogs should never be bred, from a health standpoint, that much is fairly obvious I hope. Now comparing that philosophy to humans is opening a nightmarish debate. Honestly if we had the kind of control over human breeding as we do over dogs, I'd have some major suggestions on required sterilizations


Lol as I said I should've never been bred. I also think that putting restrictions on human breeding is not the way to go. for many reasons. but as a discussion...

and interesting enough, one of my first threads on this forum was about not bashing people that want to breed their dogs. if anything it just makes them go and do it to prove a point.
I was going to breed my dog. changed my mind after reading some stuff (not here)
if I was bashed the way some people here are I mightve done it out of spite because I don't like to be told what to do and what not to do.

anyway, what would your suggestions be?
and are you worthy? lol
08-25-2014 05:57 PM
ApselBear
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Originally Posted by lalachka View Post
you're an interesting person.
Wait until you read my edit to the last post
08-25-2014 05:51 PM
lalachka
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Originally Posted by ApselBear View Post
There are many different reasons for wanting a perfect dog.
- Competition.
- Dogs are a commodity, as such, value is in quality. I spent money on it, it better work or look as expected.
- Dogs are reflections of our inner moralities, etc.
- Dogs are images that we want portrayed about ourselves, for many reasons good and bad. ( If I'm not perfect, my dog better be.)
- Health and temperament issues.
- This is the internet and many people like to play the perfectionist role because they lack 'it' offline.

I'm sure there are other causes for this need of perfection in our dogs. But I think you also have stepped into an oversight, more specifically a over generalization. Not everyone will claim to have or want a perfect dog. I think most people are happy with a dog that will share their love and behave within reason. This forum has a such a large percentage of people who do claim or want the perfect dog, for whatever reason (and a good majority have good intentions), that it is easy to start thinking everyone is hung up on perfection.
you're an interesting person.

number 4 was what was lurking in my mind. I just couldn't put it in words. number 6 is also very true. actually all your reasons are.

I was actually talking about this forum. the washouts and all lol.

but i do it myself too. it's disgusting. I'd never give up my dog for not meeting some ideal that I set for myself but I've caught myself judging people by their dogs.
08-25-2014 05:41 PM
ApselBear There are many different reasons for wanting a perfect dog.
- Competition.
- Dogs are a commodity, as such, value is in quality. I spent money on it, it better work or look as expected.
- Dogs are reflections of our inner moralities, etc.
- Dogs are images that we want portrayed about ourselves, for many reasons good and bad. ( If I'm not perfect, my dog better be.)
- Health and temperament issues.
- This is the internet and many people like to play the perfectionist role because they lack 'it' offline.

I'm sure there are other causes for this need of perfection in our dogs. But I think you also have stepped into an oversight, more specifically a over generalization. Not everyone will claim to have or want a perfect dog. I think most people are happy with a dog that will share their love and behave within reason. This forum has a such a large percentage of people who do claim or want the perfect dog, for whatever reason (and a good majority have good intentions), that it is easy to start thinking everyone is hung up on perfection.

As far as the whole selective breeding thing, I think there are a lot of people on here who foam at the mouth for a chance to bash a byb rather than just simply educate newer owners on what they could look for in future dog purchases. There are many reasons why certain dogs should never be bred, from a health standpoint, that much is fairly obvious I hope. Now comparing that philosophy to humans is opening a nightmarish debate. Honestly if we had the kind of control over human breeding as we do over dogs, I'd have some major suggestions on required sterilizations
08-25-2014 05:00 PM
lalachka I'm still thinking about this lol. I'm def a nerve bag because I get startled as easily. I should've never been bred.

people are so picky about their dogs. look in the mirror, guys. we are all so perfect, you know. but we demand perfection from our dogs.

it's a constant measuring contest here. my dog is better than yours.

I'm still interested in the psychology behind it. I suspect it's something really unattractive that's why my brain is not letting me think it through. self preservation.
08-25-2014 03:13 PM
lalachka
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Originally Posted by Blanketback View Post
Ah ha!!! I have a great idea: let's find a dog-friendly patio and go share a pitcher of margaritas and we can discuss this until they kick us out! LMAO!
I'd love to)))))) though we'd still have no answers it'd be an interesting discussion
08-25-2014 03:10 PM
Blanketback Ah ha!!! I have a great idea: let's find a dog-friendly patio and go share a pitcher of margaritas and we can discuss this until they kick us out! LMAO!
08-25-2014 03:06 PM
lalachka I'm more confused than when I started)))))))
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