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08-18-2014 12:44 AM
SuperG
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Originally Posted by GhostUSMC View Post
SuperG, I figured the bad habit would be allowing for my dog to listen to the commands of others. If this is a bad thing then I certainly would not to reinforce it .

- Ghost
Once again..and you posted it..." to listen to the commands of others."....go to hand signals as relatively few if any strangers will be aware of the hand signals you have developed with your dog to induce the behavior desired. Yes, your idea of a different language has merit as well concerning your specific concern and desire. It need be as informal as you choose....if you decide the word "rutabaga" or whatever you choose means sit...it's all the same to your dog but certainly not intuitive to the human.... a word is a word to a dog.

I do not think for a second that developing a " secret" language with your dog is any more difficult than the language you have already taught your dog....I guess since you have already indoctrinated your dog with the obvious verbal commands you might have a bit of work to do conditioning your dog otherwise.

Try this....next time you tell your dog to "sit" make a closed fist....after some repetition and positive feedback, the dog will sit simply when you display a closed fist in a certain position.....now, make the closed fist and say "rutabaga"...some positive feedback and a few times later...just say "rutabaga" and the dog sits. The lexicon you choose to have with your dog is solely up to you.

SuperG
08-18-2014 12:34 AM
Steve Strom If you have plans for personnal protection, the biggest challenge is going to be finding a capable trainer to work with. Listening to someone else will take care of itself if you have the right dog and you work with someone good, not just some goof who's going to agitate your dog into a suspicious mess.
08-18-2014 12:33 AM
GhostUSMC
Wrong House :)

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Originally Posted by Gib_laut View Post
If this dog is for personal protection I'd get this taken care of. Wouldn't want a robber to put your dog in a down stay while he robs you!
I'm working on training both of my dogs every day . I am going to be researching previous forum posts for a larger part of the day tomorrow. On the off chance that a robber did enter my home, he would only make that mistake once .

- GHOST
08-18-2014 12:30 AM
GhostUSMC
Bad Habit

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Originally Posted by SuperG View Post
It would not concern me...it would just reinforce the idea of how strong a leader I need to be.

And what is this "bad habit" you might be reinforcing?

SuperG
SuperG, I figured the bad habit would be allowing for my dog to listen to the commands of others. If this is a bad thing then I certainly would not to reinforce it .

- Ghost
08-18-2014 12:24 AM
Gib_laut If this dog is for personal protection I'd get this taken care of. Wouldn't want a robber to put your dog in a down stay while he robs you!
08-18-2014 12:23 AM
SuperG
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Is this something that would concern you personally? I want to make sure i'm not re-enforcing any bad habits.

- Ghost
It would not concern me...it would just reinforce the idea of how strong a leader I need to be.

And what is this "bad habit" you might be reinforcing?

SuperG
08-18-2014 12:19 AM
Colie CVT Given the conditions of those situations, the dog will likely be in a different kind of way.

I have worked with some of the K9s who work with the police force and generally speaking, they won't respect just anyone. They know when they can get away with things too. I was watching a retired dual purpose dog totally play on the fears of the two techs who were trying to draw blood from him. He did not have his handler with him, and he was muzzled. All he had to do was look at them sideways or shift a little and they both jumped a mile. We had to get urine off of him too, and it was amusing to me to see them trying to get him to lay down. He was just standing there with an expression that said, "Really?"

I repeated the word and he instantly did as asked. Does this mean if I was going for his handler that he wouldn't go for me? Certainly not. Just something to put into perspective. Just because a dog has good manners and will respect someone with some authority in a calm, neutral situation, doesn't exactly mean that they will in a higher stress situation.
08-18-2014 12:19 AM
GhostUSMC
Would this concern you?

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Originally Posted by SuperG View Post
The upper hand a skilled "stranger" like the vet perhaps or a trainer has, is the fact that they have the dog off balance to a degree.....which allows a skilled trainer or handler to take advantage of the dog in this state and proceed in a fashion exhibiting a higher level of obedience than most others.


SuperG
Is this something that would concern you personally? I want to make sure i'm not re-enforcing any bad habits.

- Ghost
08-18-2014 12:17 AM
SuperG
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Originally Posted by GhostUSMC View Post
I took both dogs to the vet and the vet was able to put Mishka into a perfect sit which was surprising to me. I have worked with Mishka extensively and was under the impression she would only listen to the commands of my wife and I, but I was mistaken.
- Ghost
The upper hand a skilled "stranger" like the vet perhaps or a trainer has, is the fact that they have the dog off balance to a degree.....which allows a skilled trainer or handler to take advantage of the dog in this state and proceed in a fashion exhibiting a higher level of obedience than most others.


SuperG
08-18-2014 12:10 AM
GhostUSMC
Thanks for the replies!

Perhaps I should provide some background around my issue. I have 2 dogs, one of them being Ghost and the other one is a mix between a Rottweiler and American Bulldog (her name is Mishka). I took both dogs to the vet and the vet was able to put Mishka into a perfect sit which was surprising to me. I have worked with Mishka extensively and was under the impression she would only listen to the commands of my wife and I, but I was mistaken. I want to know what I can do in order for these type of incidents not to occur anymore while i'm out and about with my dog . My main concern is for an intruder or someone else to be able to issue my dog commands.

Thanks again for the prompt replies!

- Ghost
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