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08-18-2014 02:32 PM
lhczth I would try to get together with the TD or even the helper (the two people who have titled dogs) and talked to them about obedience. Find a time when they are not tired from a long day of training. Maybe you can meet up with one or the other on another day to track and do obedience. Tell them you need help instead of complaining about a lack of progress.

** Suggestions from a former TD
08-18-2014 02:28 PM
DTS Wednesdays are just protection.
Sundays which I go 2-3 Sundays a month depending on my work schedule.
I just started tracking with a few members of my club on Sundays before we head to the trainers house for OB and protection.
And then I do OB and some tracking on my own during the week.
08-18-2014 01:53 PM
lhczth
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Originally Posted by DTS View Post
I don't have a point of reference.. Which is why I am asking here.
I'm confused in this whole thing.
I watch videos here of OB and protection from dogs only a few months older or around the same age and I think.. We aren't there.
Dogs mature and progress at different rates. Sometimes early and more are not better.


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I see the dogs at club practice their OB and they normally have multiple flaws each an every time.
One guys dog always creeps and stand during a long down. Every single session.
One guys dog must pee on everything and never seems to want to work.
I see others who have to command the dogs more than 2-3 times to do a command. These dogs are 2 plus years old.
One dog only does obedience because he recently bit 2 people. To
Me, I think that should mean he isn't cut out for this.
As a newbie I wouldn't think that is normal. But maybe I'm wrong.
I was always under the impression that you would correct the unwanted behavior and nip it in the bud so it doesn't become a habit.
Depends on the style of training. Not everyone believes in giving corrections. 2 years old is still a young dog for most people. Not everyone is ready to get out there and rush their dogs to IPO3 by 2.5. Training is always on going and sometimes it doesn't go as we would hope.



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Also, as I said before all the dogs come in dirty into the blind.
In my mind that isn't right and should have been corrected this first time.
I'm just really new and want to train the right way and this doesn't seem right.
It happens, but if a constant, than, yes, IMO something is lacking in the training.

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The trainer has told me before to be careful what I see and hear from other members and they aren't as serious in training.
Only the trainer and helper have ever titled a dog.
I'm just really confused on what my dog should be able to do at this age. Everytime I ask I never get an answer from the trainer.
I want to know what areas I should focus on. I'm trying to learn as much as possible but the trainer told me to stop reading books and watching videos because the only thing two trainers can agree on is what the third one is doing wrong.
Which I get, to an extent.
You can learn a lot from books and videos, but you can also end up confused. I have seen people that switch from one idea to the next never spending time actually training and progressing with their dog. Always in a hurry to get to the final picture without taking the steps needed to get there.


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I only go to the club every 2 Sundays and Wednesdays for bite night. And when I do go the trainer isn't very attentive and every time I ask questions I wait until the end and then he seems like he doesn't have time.
Basically I'm just confused and need some direction. Bottom line.
I am confused. You only go every other Sunday and then Wednesdays for protection work? Are you going and training with the club when they are doing tracking and obedience too?

Your dog is very young. Enjoy the ride and stop being in such a hurry. I have a female that will be 14 months old tomorrow. She just officially started bitework yesterday. She has had some barking and puppy circles sessions, with a few bites, but only here and there. She is a bit behind in obedience from where I would like to be. Last winter made training difficult and then I have run into some time constraints. She will be ready when she is ready. Right now I am working on the retrieve. She is doing IPO1 plus tracks though I haven't done articles on the track yet. No hurry, no rush.

With that said, FROM YOUR DESCRIPTION, your club would drive me crazy.
08-17-2014 10:54 PM
robk I think that you are very observant and are trying to learn the right way. I also think that you worry a little too much. Have fun with your dog. Keep reading and learning from multiple sources. If you can, go check out other clubs. If that is not an option, then just keep working at it with your club and keep practicing perfection with your dog. You will probably leave the other members in the dust.
08-17-2014 10:44 PM
DTS I don't have a point of reference.. Which is why I am asking here.
I'm confused in this whole thing.
I watch videos here of OB and protection from dogs only a few months older or around the same age and I think.. We aren't there.
I see the dogs at club practice their OB and they normally have multiple flaws each an every time.
One guys dog always creeps and stand during a long down. Every single session.
One guys dog must pee on everything and never seems to want to work.
I see others who have to command the dogs more than 2-3 times to do a command. These dogs are 2 plus years old.
One dog only does obedience because he recently bit 2 people. To
Me, I think that should mean he isn't cut out for this.
As a newbie I wouldn't think that is normal. But maybe I'm wrong.
I was always under the impression that you would correct the unwanted behavior and nip it in the bud so it doesn't become a habit.
Also, as I said before all the dogs come in dirty into the blind.
In my mind that isn't right and should have been corrected this first time.
I'm just really new and want to train the right way and this doesn't seem right.
The trainer has told me before to be careful what I see and hear from other members and they aren't as serious in training.
Only the trainer and helper have ever titled a dog.
I'm just really confused on what my dog should be able to do at this age. Everytime I ask I never get an answer from the trainer.
I want to know what areas I should focus on. I'm trying to learn as much as possible but the trainer told me to stop reading books and watching videos because the only thing two trainers can agree on is what the third one is doing wrong.
Which I get, to an extent.
I only go to the club every 2 Sundays and Wednesdays for bite night. And when I do go the trainer isn't very attentive and every time I ask questions I wait until the end and then he seems like he doesn't have time.
Basically I'm just confused and need some direction. Bottom line.
08-17-2014 10:12 PM
Gib_laut
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Originally Posted by cliffson1 View Post
Not trying to be funny, but it sounds like you know more than the people who know more than you. ....you keep interjecting about you question where he is on this and that, but what are your point of reference for these conclusions. If you have not gotten to point of titling a dog, and your TD or other members have....I don't understand your basis for questioning them when you are novice with a pup that is baby. I'm really confused.
Well that's why they're here asking what should be expected of a pup this age and of a club.

Just because a td has a titled dog doesn't mean much. Has he helped other members titled any dogs? The op said they are all working on getting an ipo1. Op sounds like she has lots of questions and if there aren't enough knowledgeable people there to help (other than the td) then it's better to find a club with more resources to fit your needs. A club where there are multiple members with titled dogs who have been there done that.
08-17-2014 09:52 PM
cliffson1 Not trying to be funny, but it sounds like you know more than the people who know more than you. ....you keep interjecting about you question where he is on this and that, but what are your point of reference for these conclusions. If you have not gotten to point of titling a dog, and your TD or other members have....I don't understand your basis for questioning them when you are novice with a pup that is baby. I'm really confused.
08-17-2014 01:38 PM
Steve Strom Yeah, everything you're seeing can be normal, and a lot of the time with this stuff, there isnt a firm, right now answer. You have to adapt things sometimes and give it a little time.

I'd look at ways to work him a little calmer, teaching him to cap that drive and focus. You may have to correct him to interrupt the leaking so he doesn't cross over into hectic.

Have you ever watched any of Ivan Balabanov's videos? There's a lot of simple, easy to follow stuff that I really like for capping.
08-17-2014 01:23 PM
DTS That's they grey area I am having the most difficulty with. I am not sure what to expect out of him at 11 months.
When I ask I get a round about response.
He gets extremely excited about doing things. He will scream and bark all the way to the car.
When he gets out of his crate he does the same. He will foam at the mouth and drool and kind of chatter his mouth when we get ready to leave for training or when we put his harness on for protection.
Is all this normal?
Can a dog have too much spirit?
Should I allow him to do this?
He will bark when fussing to my side and when we start to heel.
Other than that he is always willing to work and listen.
It's difficult for me where to draw the line of what's ok at this age because he is so smart and loves to work so much.
I try and keep it short 10-15 min sessions.
And then a nice fetch session afterwards.
Should I shorten this or is this okay for 11 months?
08-17-2014 12:27 PM
Steve Strom
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Originally Posted by DTS View Post
As far as ball placement I will def try to shove it as far under my arm as possible. I'm on the small side and his ball barely fits under my arm.
I've been using treats for the heel because he seems to listen better and doesn't leak as much.
However I've been teaching the left turn where he has to go behind me and I've had to use the ball to gain his attention around to me.
I'm thinking of maybe switching him to treats and then after the rutine play ball with him. That way he's more focused on me instead of his ball.
My main thing I want to work on is his OB. Because of his obsession with the sleeve I want to have a solid OB foundation before we go any further
He has a great bite and willingness to engage the helper.
The one thing his heeling definitely needs is him looking at me.
I've tried dropping the ball from my arm pit as soon as he makes eye contact but that has lead to him jumping up and grabbing the ball from my arm pit.
Can I use a clicker for this until he gets it and then phase out the clicker?
There is an SDA club about 2 hours from us back where my parents live.
I was very interested in it as Titan came from a kennel that did that but couldn't find any in my area. But now I found this one.
Can I switch to that since Titan would be considered green and it has the same fundamentals?
They have titled dogs but it's only the head trainer and the main helper.
Everyone else is working towards SCH 1.

ETA: I feel like Titan has all this potential and I'm failing him by being new and also that this club might be failing him because it's too lax and we need more discipline.
You can work your obedience however you want DTS. The club can help, but you arent under their command to do it only one certain way. I think the biggest thing is the helper work. You need good helper work.

At 11mos, you expect some inconsistency in his attention and heeling. BE patient. At 15mos and then at 2yrs, he's going to be a different dog. Switching to something else isnt going to change that.

On the heeling, you don't really want eye contact. Thats real tough to keep up and the idea of the ball under the arm is focus on the ball, then that part of your body.
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