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08-25-2014 08:09 AM
llombardo I have dealt with people at For your K9 for other things and they are a good group of people.
08-25-2014 07:43 AM
JeanKBBMMMAAN Consultations with some of the best behaviorists in the world:
PETFAX Behavioral Consultation : Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine - this one is you and Tuft's $250, 3 months follow up
About Tufts Animal Behavior Clinic : Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine - basic about
VETFAX Behavioral Consulation : Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine - this one is you, your vet and Tuft's, I am guessing your vet sets the fee but I do not know

Note - these are not in person, but people have been greatly helped by this service in the past, with dogs who were on the verge of being let go. Video would probably be helpful. As would a person with experience eyes on.
08-25-2014 07:02 AM
Twyla
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Originally Posted by nbdyuknow View Post

I talked at length with the vet who he originally went for, and, unsurprisingly, she is 100% in favor of euthanization, going so far as to make sure to prescribe me some Acepromazine to have on hand at home so when I was ready, I could have him sedated before I bring him to them.

If it does come to this, ask the vet to prescribe Valium instead of ACE. ACE leaves the brain active with the body sedated.


In the meantimem, I have done as much research as possible, as well as looking into various "board certified behavioral vets." For most of them, just the rate for the initial consultation is ~$450.00 not even including a physical exam, which sort of lets one know what is coming if that kind of treatment program is selected as an option. I have also sent out the word to all my past and present contacts in animal welfare/rescues/etc. to solicit advice or possibly names or orgs that could be of assistance.

Bill B.
An alternative to a behavioral vet is to locate a behaviorist who will be willing to work with your vet. That was the route we took with Woolf and it has worked out very well. It does require some research to locate an experienced behaviorist instead of someone just making the claims.
08-25-2014 06:48 AM
llombardo I wonder if a thunder shirt would help him? Having a trainer evaluate him before the behaviorist might be a good idea. Sadly some trainers will tell you he requires private training, others will tell you see a behaviorist, and then there are the ones that really try to help. The day before I took Midnite who was reall reactive to the GSD club he tore up a trainers arm trying to get to the other dog. As I'm watching blood coming down her arms , she is telling me that he needs private training and thd price was pretty steep. I'm thinking my dog will eat her alive. I left very frustrated because I had to find someone to help me. I am grateful for that GSD club. For the first time I agreed with what they said to do and found an environment I could do it in and feel like they were there to back me up. Midnite respected them immediately. When the trainer brought his two senior GSD's within five feet of Midnite I swear I saw nothing but pride in their eyes and respect in Midnites. I'll never forget the look those dogs passed to each other, there was some kind of communication there.
08-25-2014 05:03 AM
VALIUM Thank you for the update Bill, you are doing great.!!! I hope he gets better and better, all the best to you guys.!!!
08-24-2014 11:47 PM
Moriah Thank you for the up-date and please keep posting so we know....Very best wishes to you.
08-24-2014 10:43 PM
katieliz thank you so much for the update, and for helping Wheelie, no matter what the eventual outcome. When I read your "if nothing else" sentence, i kinda lost it. it is so good to know there are still caring, decent people in the world. thank you again, and i wish all good things for you and Wheelie. take care, many blessings.
08-24-2014 10:34 PM
nbdyuknow Hi everyone,

Thank you for all of your thoughts and comments. This is just going to be a short update on Wheelie.

I talked at length with the vet who he originally went for, and, unsurprisingly, she is 100% in favor of euthanization, going so far as to make sure to prescribe me some Acepromazine to have on hand at home so when I was ready, I could have him sedated before I bring him to them.

In the meantimem, I have done as much research as possible, as well as looking into various "board certified behavioral vets." For most of them, just the rate for the initial consultation is ~$450.00 not even including a physical exam, which sort of lets one know what is coming if that kind of treatment program is selected as an option. I have also sent out the word to all my past and present contacts in animal welfare/rescues/etc. to solicit advice or possibly names or orgs that could be of assistance.

In the meantime, we have also discovered, not surprisingly, that Wheelie is terrified of thunder at a level I have never encountered, and that is having had three noise-adverse dogs (especially as they got older) for thunder and fireworks. He hyperventilates, and runs--not walks--looking for a "safe place." I have tried to give him some places to go, but he cannot be still or get settled. Of course, we have had almost two weeks of continuous very powerful thunderstorms here, with another week of them on the way. I tried giving him 3 Benadryl to see if that would relax or clam him a little but to no effect.

Because of the somewhat unique circumstances--my wife being out of town, living alone and working from home--I can, for the time being, see if there is anything that can be done for Wheelie. I am not deluded (I hope) enough that I think he will suddenly "come round" or anything like that. I am working very gently with him several hours a day. He tries very hard to please, and learns quickly. He is actually relaxed and fun-loving at times, and even affectionate. But, I never forget, either. If nothing else, at least he will have had some brief time with playing, and treats, and chews every night and petting like a normal dog.

Thanks again, when I have more information I will post. I really appreciate everyone who has taken the time to help. It means a lot.

Bill B.
08-19-2014 09:41 AM
katieliz lala...thanks!
08-19-2014 12:04 AM
lalachka
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Originally Posted by lauren43 View Post
I agree times 1000. We do not know that this dog is fearful. My example was because lala stated that "we" use demons as an excuse to Euth a dog. Saying that "we" are anthropomorph"ing" these traits. My example was meant to point out that their are dogs that do in fact live with "demons" if you will...

That being said if this dog is not fearful and is simply aggressive well then I am on the side of euthanasia. Management for a dog like this is very very taxing on a person their household and relationships. And call it what you will demons or otherwise there is something off about a dog out to kill. The whole reason dogs exist is to coincide with humans, one that wants to kill them goes against the grain in every sense of what dogs were bred for...which is companionship (whether you work your dog or not at the end of the day they are a companion)

And that's not even getting into the law side of things. If this dogs bites even one more person (and I am sorry Bill for saying this it is not a personal jab against you) it's totally on the owner. You now know the dog and what he is capable of, and if you decide to take on the responsibility knowing what you know...well you have to be this dogs guard dog and make sure he never bites anyone again.



Thanks for clarifying.



Call it demons call it whatever you want but a dog that attacks to kill for nothing more than a glare is not right in the head. Bottom line some wires are not quite right upstairs.



The difference between my dog and this dog is simply the ease of care. My dog was not a danger to anyone really, he was easily managed. From what the OP posted this dog will not be easily managed. And even the slightest slip up could cost someone their life or at the very least hospitalize them.




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exactly. it's about the danger to society, no room for mistakes, lifetime management and stuff like that. it's not that the dog needs to be pts because he's so miserable (he might be but that's not why the decision is really made) because in that case you'd put your dog to sleep too

I'm sorry, I'm beating a dead horse
I'm stopping.
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