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12-03-2014 01:17 AM
Juliem24 The best to you, Wheelie and Sophie. Please keep in touch.
12-03-2014 01:09 AM
nbdyuknow Here is Sophie. Riding in the car (thinks she is the navigator), and sitting in my shoulder.

Bill B.
11-30-2014 12:54 PM
wolfy dog The shelter should have never adopted this dog out and I think they were negligent by doing so. I cannot believe what people are willing to risk just to "not fail a very troubled dog".
11-30-2014 12:21 PM
middleofnowhere Bill & Wheelie - I too wish you luck. I feel bad for Wheelie because all one can do is speculate on his past and the possible horrors it involved. I am hoping you all get through "this" which refers to his behavioral issues and the relocation. It may be total wishful thinking but there it is.
11-30-2014 08:34 AM
JeanKBBMMMAAN Prevent Motion Sickness in Dogs, Prevention of Dog Vomiting - CERENIA

https://www.zoetisus.com/products/do...-citrate_.aspx

For the ride.

Still highly recommend Tuft's as you get ready to move. Good luck!
11-30-2014 03:43 AM
Zeeva I really want to see your pet pigeon!

Thank you for keeping faith in your pup.

I wish you and him all the best in the near future <3
11-30-2014 03:31 AM
nbdyuknow
Wheelie update

Hi everyone,

SInce it has been about two months since the last post, I thought I would give an update about Wheelie for those who are interested.

First of all, I am still in my house outside of Chicago in North Barrington. It has taken quite a bit longer than I imagined to take care of everything to move. Hopefully within the next two weeks I will be able to head to WA.

Now, please keep in mind that Wheelie lives alone in a house with only myself and Sophie the pigeon. We have had no inside visitors since my last post. With that noted, living in the house, Wheelie has become an unbelievable, exceptionally loving (and clingy) dog. He does not like me to be out of his sight at any time, even when I go into the bathroom. If I watch TV, he lays on the couch with his head on my leg. If I am reading, he lays with his chin on my foot. If I am in bed, he lays as close to me as possible.

Because of this closeness, he is exceptionally attuned to me and my comments and reactions. We have worked on his manners and he has come quite a long way since I got him from the rescue in mid-July.

Outside of the house, not quite as much progress. Or, perhaps more correctly, a different issue. Where before he seemed exceptionally fearful, now is is just aggressive. On leash, he will bark at dogs and people. Even with the doggie Prozac, he is not as much "afraid" of the outside world as hyper-alert. If a tree branch 100 yards away cracks, he will whip his head around level of alertness. Sometimes when we walk at night, the wind will cause the trees to squeak and groan and he is trying to look at every noise at once. And, of course, he is extremely interested in squirrels and other darting animals. I have been working to make him "sit" and "focus" and he will sit and look at me, but still having great difficulty in keeping his attention. I had another dog who was similar but not as extreme a case as this.

He is still having difficulty in dealing with any other people except me. There is an older couple who always hail me to come over and chat, I have brought Wheelie a few times. He has progressed to where he will sit nicely and not bark at them, but if they cough or honk their nose blowing it, or something like that, he will bark. However, it does not seem to be like it was before when he was clearly scared of people and would sit motionless, staring before lunging.

I do have a basket muzzle which I have worked with getting him used to at home. At first he was like Houdini, somehow managing to get it off no matter what I did, but I think I have got the hang of it now. We have worked with lots of treats, so he sees the muzzle as something "fun" I think.

Again, aside from what I have written about before and his barking, aggressive behavior (which is not unimportant), in every other way he is an amazing, loving, extremely affectionate dog. He loves to play, when he is especially happy, he will find his squeaky and prance around with it squeaking merrily. He gets plenty of treats, including a daily Dingo Dental Chew and a "bone" each night before bed, like a Busy Bone, Dingo bone or one of those ""meat in the middle" rawhide chews. He knows that when I am putting Sophie in for the evening, it is bedtime, so he runs to the bed and "sits pretty" very alert, waiting for his bone. Then he curls up next to me and snores like a muscle car with headers all night.

I should also note that in the seven years I have lived here, with three other dogs, never once has one been sprayed by a skunk, but in the few months I have had Wheelie, he has gotten it in the face five times now, the latest being last week. What is important is that he lets me do whatever I want to him with no complaint, including rinsing out his eyes. As well, clipping his nails and other things like that. When I first got him home, if I simply touched his haunches or even his sides, he would jump and once even snapped at the air. Point being, is at least he has become comfortable enough that I can touch him anywhere and do anything without protest (except the sad, "do-wiht-me-what-you-will-human" eyes).

This does not make things any clearer for what will happen when I get to WA, and he has a new house, my wife, her dog and all the other changes to process. I think that will be a huge challenge. He will start training there, initially individual sessions with his trainer, me and, eventually, my wife. Also, I cannot even imagine the drive from here to WA in a car with him and a pigeon for 2,000 miles. I have been taking him on shorter car trips to try and get him acclimated to driving (because he was violently carsick several times when I first brought him home from the shelter). Giving him 3 Benedryl seems to help a bit, but if I do not, even a trip just down the street makes him carsick. I might end up giving him some of the tranquilizers for the drive, he can zonk out in the back and the pigeon can ride shotgun (she LOVES the car--go figure).

Anyway, I just wanted to give an update and thank everyone once again for all their help, suggestions, good wishes. I do not know what the future holds in store, but we are doing the best we can.

Thanks again,

Bill B. (& Wheelie)
09-25-2014 12:53 AM
katieliz thanks for the update, i wish you great luck in your multi-faceted approach to tackling the problem. take care. (((hugs to wheelie))).
09-25-2014 12:10 AM
Colie CVT Since I have been in this realm of reading books dealing with dogs like crazy, I can't remember if anyone told you about the book, The Dog Who Loved Too Much by Dr. Nicholas Dodman. He goes over different behavioral issues like aggression, fear, obsessive behavior. He talks about different cases, different types of each thing. How he helped (or actually in some cases didn't find a solid help) for the different dogs. It really has been an enjoy for me to read, and I can relate to the idea of medicating and behavioral changes since I personally have found myself in a similar situation.

Training methods can some days can only do so much. Just like medications can only do so much. It's when you are open to trying different things, potentially combining the two things that you can have success. If it helps Wheelie so that you don't have to go down the path to euthanizing, in the end I'd say winner, winner chicken dinner in that case!
09-24-2014 11:27 PM
Juliem24 Hey Bill,
I have been reading this thread with interest. I have been in medicine/nursing for what seems like 100 years, and I'd like to put my 2 cents in regarding medicating the dog. I come from a family that fully subscribed to home remedies, and never believed that medication or interventions were the first line, and this is how I still think: however, I would like to say in this case the dogs anxiety seems so overwhelming that he will never be able to learn unless that said anxiety is blunted somewhat with fluoxetine, or other means. There is a difference between drugging the dog into submission and augmenting the behavior so that they are calm enough to,learn to trust the world. I wish you the best of luck with your move to Washington state, and your work with your pup.
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