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Yesterday 10:13 PM
sehrgutcsg I have a dog from untitled papered parents. However, I am in the minority in a very big way. I got very lucky because I am stubborn and my dog is not an investment per-se. She's a pet !! I invested in equipment, training, good food, supplements, but on a percentage basis the odds were stacked against me, (behind the 8 ball, snookered).

My dog at 11 months, imo was a bargain. People here have paid 10X what I paid and perhaps got less > ? I have no clue and had no clue on hips, elbows, temperament and/or health. It was all put in God's hands from the first moment my wife and I saw a picture and held the dog.

But let's be realistic. I am in the 2%. 98% of dogs like Isabella are not even close to what she is. Don't try this at home. Do as much due diligence as possible and pay a little more, because you may not have the same luck..

Her training was appreciated today when she hit the "do do" target as a bulls - eye in her "poopy dog tray.". A plastic concrete mixing tub from Home Depot... Now, both are "tray trained.".. Good doggies !!!

SGCSG
Yesterday 09:50 PM
GatorDog
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Originally Posted by Kayos and Havoc View Post
Sometimes life gets in the way for many breeders and thay cannot title a dog. If they just don't want to be bothered with putting the work into the dogs or they are simply buying titled dogs and breeding them without knowing the dogs and what they are capable of, that would be an issue for me.

There are also some breeders that have other people title their dogs or ship them off to Germany for training and titling. I am not so certain that breeder knows the dogs either.

My first GSD was a BYB. She was a great obedience dog.

The breeder I got my Mayhem from does not put a lot of advanced titles on her dogs, life gets in her way. But she knows her lines. Many of her puppy buyers have put advanced titles on the dogs and are very sucessful with them.

I used to be in the camp 'no titless- no buy' but I think that is not so important to me anymore. Breeder needs to know what they are breeding more so that titing I think.

Also need to make sure health testing is being done.
I'm sorry, but I can't really understand this. How can a breeder not have time to title a dog, but have the time to put into breeding/whelping/raising puppies? That concept will never make any sense to me.
Yesterday 06:00 PM
Kayos and Havoc Sometimes life gets in the way for many breeders and thay cannot title a dog. If they just don't want to be bothered with putting the work into the dogs or they are simply buying titled dogs and breeding them without knowing the dogs and what they are capable of, that would be an issue for me.

There are also some breeders that have other people title their dogs or ship them off to Germany for training and titling. I am not so certain that breeder knows the dogs either.

My first GSD was a BYB. She was a great obedience dog.

The breeder I got my Mayhem from does not put a lot of advanced titles on her dogs, life gets in her way. But she knows her lines. Many of her puppy buyers have put advanced titles on the dogs and are very sucessful with them.

I used to be in the camp 'no titless- no buy' but I think that is not so important to me anymore. Breeder needs to know what they are breeding more so that titing I think.

Also need to make sure health testing is being done.
Yesterday 05:12 PM
Lobo dog
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Originally Posted by martemchik View Post
A lot of times when you see that the titles end with the current generation, its basically the "breeder" purchasing good dogs from other breeders and throwing them together without doing the work to prove those actual dogs. You'll still have all the names on the pedigree, you can talk about how the grandparents have all those titles, but you yourself don't have to actually title.

They'll mostly sell to people like you who are "looking for a pet" by selling you on the fact that the dog will make a great pet, and clearly the lines can work if you ever want to do a sport of some sort. But you still don't know that for sure.
(for some reason my other reply came up funny and part of my response was in the quote, and I cant figure out how to delete it so I am going to try again.)


this is exactly the situation that we got our 6 1/2 month old gsd from. We purchased him from an Amish man who had bought his dogs from a decently well known breeder who titles his dogs. Lobo's parents However did not have any titles, but his relieves further down the line had numerous titles to their name. We would NOT have been interested at all, if Mr. Glick had not done health testing on the parents. Both of Lobo's parents are OFA certified, and we wouldn't have it any other way.

"They'll mostly sell to people like you who are "looking for a pet" by selling you on the fact that the dog will make a great pet, and clearly the lines can work if you ever want to do a sport of some sort. But you still don't know that for sure.[/QUOTE]"

This is also the mind set that our breeder had. He sold them as pets who could do more if you so desired.

We met the puppies when they were 8 weeks old, and selected our new puppy. We got to meet both parents, and their temperaments are what truly sold us on getting one of there pups. They where we'll taken care of, obeyed a command the first time they were asked and we're gorgeous to boot.

The bitch was mildly suspicious of the 5 strangers that were handling her pups but was in no way aggressive. During all of the excitement, the pups latched on and tried to nurse, but the breeder quietly whispered the dam's name and she immediately left the pups and sat at his side. We were very impressed. The father was let into the yard with us, and after his initial sniff of everyone, became a handsome goofball we really loved both of the parents and picked up our new addition the following week. it was 4 hours both ways, but Lobo is/was worth every mile.
Yesterday 04:51 PM
Lobo dog
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Originally Posted by martemchik View Post
A lot of times when you see that the titles end with the current generation, its basically the "breeder" purchasing good dogs from other breeders and throwing them together without doing the work to prove those actual dogs. You'll still have all the names on the pedigree, you can talk about how the grandparents have all those titles, but you yourself don't have to actually title.

this is exactly the situation that we got our 6 1/2 month old gsd from. We purchased him from an Amish man who had bought his dogs from a decently well known breeder who titles his dogs. Lobo's parents However did not have any titles, but his relieves further down the line had numerous titles to their name. We would NOT have been interested at all, if Mr. Glick had not done health testing on the parents. Both of Lobo's parents are OFA certified, and we wouldn't have it any other way.

They'll mostly sell to people like you who are "looking for a pet" by selling you on the fact that the dog will make a great pet, and clearly the lines can work if you ever want to do a sport of some sort. But you still don't know that for sure.
This is also the mind set that our breeder had. He sold them as pets who could do more if you so desired.

We met the puppies when they were 8 weeks old, and selected our new puppy. We got to meet both parents, and their temperaments are what truly sold us on getting one of there pups. They where we'll taken care of, obeyed a command the first time they were asked and we're gorgeous to boot.

The bitch was mildly suspicious of the 5 strangers that were handling her pups but was in no way aggressive. During all of the excitement, the pups latched on and tried to nurse, but the breeder quietly whispered the dam's name and she immediately left the pups and sat at his side. We were very impressed. The father was let into the yard with us, and after his initial sniff of everyone, became a handsome goofball we really loved both of the parents and picked up our new addition the following week. it was 4 hours both ways, but Lobo is/was worth every mile.
Yesterday 03:43 PM
lawhyno
Titles don't mean much these days...

I've seen titled parents that aren't worth a **** and untitled parents that are top notch dogs.

In my opinion, this is how you choose:

1. Research the pedigree. See what type of dogs you like. Czech lines? East German? DDR? West German? Show? Though some are similar, they all have their own unique characteristics. Pick which you like and know what you're looking at in terms of pedigree.

2. Meet the breeder, parents of pups, and pups. DON'T make the mistake of believing the breeder and buying without seeing. You need to see the temperament of the parents because chances are, you're pup will grow to be similar. You need to meet the pups and see what they're like. Are they outgoing and friendly? Or are they suspicious of strangers and guard dog material? If you're not experienced enough to know these answers, you'll have the opportunity to ask questions in person to the breeder and gauge whether you're being bull****ted or not.

3. Find a reputable breeder who KNOWS their dogs. It took me a while but I found two breeders who I trust completely. The gentleman I got my dogs from knew his dogs so well that everything he said about them have come true.

At the end of the day, I got my male from a reputable breeder and both his parents aren't titled but he's the best dog I've ever owned. Naturally protective, cuddly around the house, obedient, and very very drivey on the field with hard and calm bites. I met pup and both parents and knew this was the dog I wanted.
08-18-2014 11:27 PM
DynamicDogLover I may have some good leads for you... when you say you want a dog who can work, how do you mean that? GSDs "work" in different fields.
08-05-2014 11:03 AM
martemchik A lot of times when you see that the titles end with the current generation, its basically the "breeder" purchasing good dogs from other breeders and throwing them together without doing the work to prove those actual dogs. You'll still have all the names on the pedigree, you can talk about how the grandparents have all those titles, but you yourself don't have to actually title.

They'll mostly sell to people like you who are "looking for a pet" by selling you on the fact that the dog will make a great pet, and clearly the lines can work if you ever want to do a sport of some sort. But you still don't know that for sure.
08-05-2014 01:27 AM
Gib_laut Best dog I've ever owned was from untitled parents. The dogs had the bloodlines I wanted. They were health tested. The guy just thought Schutzhund was stupid. Lol good enough reason for me. I saw his dogs work in person and was sold.

Health testing is the most important. Titles are great but not a deal breaker. I've met ipo3 dogs that should never ever be bred. I've seen titled dogs that the judge had have to been blind on trail day. Your best bet is get someone knowledgeable to go assess the parents for you.
08-05-2014 01:00 AM
Blitzkrieg1 I just put $$ down on a pup from untitled parents. The only reason I found the litter initially was a Youtube clip of some Bitework. The breeder has titled dogs in the past and also has dogs working in LE. That plus the vids were enough for me to take the dive.
What I dont like are fanciful stories that have no provable basis in reality, show dont just tell.
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