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07-11-2014 09:52 AM
ApselBear I'm going to hijack this thread just to say that's a good looking sable!

But I will say, don't put too much stock in advice that you have to do everything perfect. Love your dog and keep teaching him and he'll return the favor.
07-11-2014 09:44 AM
My2shepherds
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Hi Fellow Atlantan!

I'm in EXACTLY the same boat; today was my 6th night where I haven't fully slept. I've come very close to just giving her back to the breeder, but am resisting. Yesterday I finally started using the crate as I simply had to take control (the first few days she was just running all around the house). She too whines and fusses for a few minutes (and it does seem like an eternity), but eventually settles down. The hardest part for me is the lack of sleep, it simply makes me really unpleasant in the morning, as my wife will attest to. ...but yes, I've remarked to friends and family just how much of a holy terror that cute face is..!

Now I just want to be sure I don't crate her too much, as what's the point of having a dog like this if it's going to spend tons of time crated? Hopefully only nights on my end!
I am no expert since I have my first two shepherds Athena 5 mos. and Eden 16 weeks... but I have made it through the crying, whining, middle of the night wake up calls... I did not have any problems with Athena as her breeder had began the crate training before I ever got her, Eden was the complete opposite. She and all the other pups and dogs had the run of the breeder's house and was not having anything to do with confinment at all. I began with 10 min. intervals of "go to bed" put her in the crate and treat through the closed door while I was in the kitchen (where the crate was) moving around and in and out the door. Once she got it that I would let her back out when she was quiet and time was up I started increasing the time little by little. This went on for a couple of days and finally night time became quiet until potty time halfway through the night. I have now moved the crates to the basement and can tell the girls "go to bed" and they go down and get in on their own. One other thing I made a habit of was saying "good night girls" as I came back up the steps and that still works as an "all quiet" command.... Good Luck and do not give up on your pup it will get better and you will be on to the next challenge of trying to outsmart it all the time...
07-11-2014 09:03 AM
Adelaide's_Dad
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I know I'm probably severely overreacting and the sleepless nights are getting to me but I'm definitely having a hard time with this puppy thing. He turned 8 weeks on 4th of July and I have had him since Saturday. I think I've read too many horror stories about how crucial it is to do everything right in the first few months and I'm a nervous wreck I'm going to do something wrong that will scar him for life.
I did months and months of research before I even thought about this breed and lots of consideration of what I was getting myself into. I knew going in that he would be extremely smart and loyal once he was bonded. Little did I know that no matter how much preparation I did it in no way would prepare me for actually having him. He's an incredible puppy with a super sweet personality but I can't help being worried.
He has LOTS of toys and things to chew on. His crate is next to my bed and I keep a towel over it and my iPad sits on top playing radio talk shows all night so he feels like he has company (it's the only thing that's helped him settle down a little at bed time). He will willingly go into his crate during the day, he will eat in it and take his toys in there but when it is time for bed, he screams like a hyena and it doesn't stop for at least an hour. Any time I shut the door, no matter the time of day or If I'm sitting there next to it, he screams like it's the end of the world. I make sure that he is ignored until he calms down but when he doesn't stop for a LONG while, I'm not sure what to do anymore. We wear him out before bed to make sure it's easier for him to fall asleep, he will barely be able to stay awake to go potty but once he gets put in for bed all heck breaks loose.
He has no interest in voices, or listening to anything you're saying to him. No interest in the clicker or any treats I have tried to give, so helping him learn his name has gone nowhere. He would rather play with his food bowl than actually eat the food in it.
He is however doing VERY well with only chewing his toys. When he tries for your hands or other appendages, we yelp and if that doesn't work, we get up and stop playing.
I'm sure it's all just puppy stuff that I am reading far too much into but it's worrying me and I've been crying almost every night since I got him. Is it normal for them not to be interested in your voice? I need him to be crate trained, mostly for convenience and safety but if he sleeps better in my bed with me and will sleep through the night with no accidents, is it imperative that he sleeps in the crate at night? Would him sleeping with me at night screw up trying to crate him during the day while I run errands? Any advice or help is absolutely appreciated.
I'm also adding a picture from play time today he's so darn cute, you wouldn't think he could be so much trouble
Hi Fellow Atlantan!

I'm in EXACTLY the same boat; today was my 6th night where I haven't fully slept. I've come very close to just giving her back to the breeder, but am resisting. Yesterday I finally started using the crate as I simply had to take control (the first few days she was just running all around the house). She too whines and fusses for a few minutes (and it does seem like an eternity), but eventually settles down. The hardest part for me is the lack of sleep, it simply makes me really unpleasant in the morning, as my wife will attest to. ...but yes, I've remarked to friends and family just how much of a holy terror that cute face is..!

Now I just want to be sure I don't crate her too much, as what's the point of having a dog like this if it's going to spend tons of time crated? Hopefully only nights on my end!
07-09-2014 08:22 PM
selzer You could try a special, raw, meaty bone that he only gets when he is in his crate at night.

It might help.

If you try to rear this puppy according to everything you read on the internet, you are bound to create problems. I would sign him up for puppy classes with a competent trainer. Avoid all the advice from the internet on how to train your puppy. And CALL YOUR BREEDER for advice. Your breeder knows the lines, she knows what kind of pup she sent home with you. If you explain the problem you are having, she should be able to give you the proper advice with respect to your puppy. She should be able to tell you if you should be firm and no-nonsence, or to be following crate training/toenail clipping/etc. protocols that would drive me insane.

It depends on the puppy. Within the breed there are puppies who are very willing to please, but will shut down if you are sharp with them, and then there are puppies that need to know that you are not a littermate.

To feel comfortable and safe, dogs need to feel confidence in their owner. They have to know you have things covered. If you are not confident, then the puppy will be not too sure whether he needs to listen to you are worry about you. When you put the dog in the crate. Happy voice, It's sleepie time, take him to the crate, put his special bone in there, put him in, close the door, walk away -- no fan fare, no oh, be quiet now honey, no looking at him with a frowny face. Be matter of fact.

Good luck with the puppy. Talk to the breeder for suggestions.
07-09-2014 07:10 PM
Juno1
RE: Sleeping in bed with you or crate? My opinion...

When I first brought Juno home, she slept in bed with me until she was around 16 weeks. During the day, when I had to leave I crated her. With my personal experience, crating her while I was gone got her used to the idea of it in short spurts. Sleeping with me at night def. helped with our bonding, and it made her feel safe and secure. Once she turned 16 weeks, I placed her in the crate before bed. She had been in it enough to be OK with it, and I didn't hear a peep out of her until morning.
Not saying all experiences will be as great as mine, but it can happen! Good luck, your lil pup is beautiful!!
07-09-2014 06:52 PM
dogfaeries Google "crate games" on YouTube. You CAN get the little guy used to his crate!
07-09-2014 06:37 PM
onyx'girl I would help the pup to learn that being alone is ok too.
Constant background noise as well as silence should be experienced.
You want the pup to be ok crated alone while you work, etc....separation anxiety often occurs when pup is always with their people early on, then the routine changes and the fear of being alone sets in.

You'll do just fine, let the pup be a pup and explore the world. I wouldn't worry about socializing with other dogs and people as much as getting the puppy out to experience sights, sounds, surfaces, scents.
07-09-2014 04:29 PM
PMRonan At some points. Jager almost didn't make it. The screaming almost had us murderous. But he is awesome now and I am glad we made it through, makes for a calmer more adjusted adolescent dog, which is good because he is bat **** crazy again in many other areas again now.
07-09-2014 01:22 PM
Tim&Marth OP,

Your puppy is being a puppy. Rambunctious, aloof, interested in learning the new sights, sounds, environment... Take a step back and enjoy the little bundle of joy you have. If you focus too much on making sure everything is perfect, you will miss out on a lot during your puppy's development.

The crate behavior as others have mentioned is normal. Olivia would make such a racket in her crate at night. We put a puppy bed next to our bed along with the crate door open. This made a huge difference, as it was up to her to go into the crate and not us forcing her into it.

The things you want to do can be done at a later stage. For now, socialize, socialize, socialize. Form that bond and then worry about the larger training projects once your puppy figures out who he is.

And for what it's worth, Olivia sleeps in bed with me at night and there is no problem with crating her during the day. Just know if you go down that path, it's very hard to go back.

Enjoy these times, as your little guy will be full grown before you know it.
07-08-2014 04:39 PM
llombardo
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Thank you! He's a hoot
He decided to help the 14 year old cocker on our walk this morning. She's very tolerant of him and he's in love with her
I love when they carry their leashes or help walk the others. Take lots of pictures because they grow fast and you will look back at all the sleepless nights and crying in the crate and laugh. With my female I was falling asleep at my desk at work.
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