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07-12-2014 06:37 PM
Longfisher
Bed

I posted in this thread earlier that the puppy should just be allowed to sleep at the foot of your bed. Then I read many subsequent posts suggesting that the crate be close to the bed, bedroom, etc. and that this reduced the whining.

So, let me amend my previous post. Our two sequentially owned GSDs were allowed to sleep at the foot of the bed (in the bed but on top of the comforter) for about 1 month after we brought them home and....wait for it...WE DIDN'T LOSE A SINGLE NIGHT'S SLEEP but for the requirement to get up and take them outside if they stood in the bed and milled around.

LF
07-12-2014 08:07 AM
Pawsed I'm sure you believe everything you said, but I disagree and my experience reinforces what I feel, as yours does you. How you do know they will turn out the way you say, if you have never tried a different approach? There are always alternatives. Maybe even a better one than the one you use, or I use, for that matter.

Our puppies over the last nearly 50 years of owning all types, but always including at least one German Shepherd, have done just fine with being treated pretty much like kids. They are and have been secure, confident dogs, with no separation anxiety and without crying all the time for attention. They like their crates and still sleep in them every night with the doors wide open. They are happy and safe in there. And we all got more rest when they were small and they didn't cry or mess their crates, when they were moved into them.

Dogs and children have the same needs, the same insecurities, and the same emotions and feelings. We are all animals, not better or worse. We have different capabilities and means of communication, but, in my opinion, those things don't make them less or more than we are.

Don't misunderstand, we are the leaders here and we have rules and expect them to be followed. Our dogs are well trained and people are always impressed with how well they behave and how well they get along with everyone. Maybe we've just been lucky.
07-12-2014 05:19 AM
Sarah~
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand why you would want to let a puppy cry. If it teaches the pup that when it cries, I will come, I think that's a good thing. I want the puppy to let me know when she's in trouble, and it's up to me to help her and reassure her that she's okay. It's my job to make her as secure as I can and not force her to be responsible for things she may not be ready to do, like be on her own locked in a crate away from everyone, totally independent of me.

There will be a time when she's ready for that, but when you first bring her home, she's like any other child. I'm sure a lot of people will disagree, but I think a little spoiling now makes a pup more confident down the line.

Just curious to know if you let your children cry themselves to sleep when you first brought them home from the hospital.
Because then the puppy learns all they have to do to make you pay attention to them is cry and they will never stop. If a dog is in trouble they will let you know regardless of crate training... Many, many, many dogs go through crate training just fine. Both of mine did, and they both threw a fit at first, but a fluffy stuffed animal and an old shirt of mine solved that within a couple of days. Nobody wants their puppy to be upset! But, you do not want to spoil them and create a dog that has separation anxiety, who only goes into the crate when he's ready, and constantly cries for attention. They are puppies, not human babies, you wouldn't talk to or treat a kid like a dog so it makes sense not to treat dogs like kids
07-11-2014 02:20 PM
Pawsed I'm sorry, but I don't understand why you would want to let a puppy cry. If it teaches the pup that when it cries, I will come, I think that's a good thing. I want the puppy to let me know when she's in trouble, and it's up to me to help her and reassure her that she's okay. It's my job to make her as secure as I can and not force her to be responsible for things she may not be ready to do, like be on her own locked in a crate away from everyone, totally independent of me.

There will be a time when she's ready for that, but when you first bring her home, she's like any other child. I'm sure a lot of people will disagree, but I think a little spoiling now makes a pup more confident down the line.

Just curious to know if you let your children cry themselves to sleep when you first brought them home from the hospital.
07-11-2014 01:06 PM
Cassidy's Mom
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Lucie cries for weeks which felt like an eternity when getting her used to the crate. Which is right outside our bedroom.
If the crate had been in your bedroom rather than outside it, you may have only had a few days of crying rather than a few weeks. In any case, I'm glad she's finally settled down.

I agree about covering the crate - we have the plastic airline type crates, but I'd toss a towel over the front to block the view out the door.
07-11-2014 12:43 PM
andrea04 Lucie cries for weeks which felt like an eternity when getting her used to the crate. Which is right outside our bedroom. But after a few weeks and of course taking her potty bc she was so little se finally stopped the screaming and howling. At 6 months now she knows when I say night night it's time to get in the crate I also to this day give her a treat after she walks in. I keep it covered with a sheet so she can't see out which helped a ton.

But you have to ignore the whining no matter what. When you acknowledge it they will learn if I cry someone will come. This was especially hard for us bc our kids could hear her and would get up to tell me the dog for whining which would make Lucie do it louder.. Patience will pay off😃


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07-10-2014 04:46 PM
readmeli Yay!
07-10-2014 03:18 PM
stelly Thank you so very much to all for your wise advice! On the night I posted this we tried a favorite toy in the crate but he still whined (less but still enough that I could not sleep). I shared the thread with my husband and he agreed to try bringing the crate into our bedroom. Stanley Bavaria slept like a champ with only a few moments of whimpering. Last night he was silent. Thank you for bringing sleep into my life, happiness to my pup, and reaffirming why this forum rocks!
07-08-2014 02:28 PM
readmeli We went through this same thing, for a month or so. It was dreadful. Then one day I finally took the advice I was given and moved pup's crate closer to our bedroom (just down the hall a bit..if I could have moved her in the bedroom I would have).... Been sleeping like an angel ever since.

Do it.
07-07-2014 06:44 PM
Sunflowers I had mine sleep at night in my bedroom in his crate, which back then was small enough to be on my nightstand He didn't cry, but even so, I would stick my fingers through the grate to reassure him.

I scheduled naps in his crate during the day. These, he took alone in a bathroom. It was important to me for him to be OK alone.

This didn't ruin the dog. And now he sleeps by himself, penned in the family room, and, occasionally, in the pen I have for him in the bedroom. But that is 'cause sometimes I just want my dog
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