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07-07-2014 11:02 AM
lalachka
Reinforce fear and stuff

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Originally Posted by Lilie View Post
First of all, I said "Personally". And second, now you know what he'll do. Yet you still question yourself. Thirdly, do you think placing your dog in a "kiddie park" to see what he'll do with fireworks a very good idea?

I wasn't fighting with you but why is it a bad idea? Because he's locked in? Has no place to run?

ETA there are no kids there if that's what you meant. There are no people there at all or I wouldn't lock ourselves in there. I go at 11pm-12 am.
07-07-2014 11:01 AM
Lilie
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Originally Posted by lalachka View Post
I almost did it on purpose. I mean I go there every night but I could've went someplace else and on my way there I saw my friends with a husky leaving because he ran off earlier.

First of all, I know my dog, he's a clinger. And second, I wanted to see how he will do. And he did well. Also, last year he did well too. There's also a kiddie park there that has a locking gate and the first two nights of the fireworks we spent inside that park so I had a way to see how he'd react.
First of all, I said "Personally". And second, now you know what he'll do. Yet you still question yourself. Thirdly, do you think placing your dog in a "kiddie park" to see what he'll do with fireworks a very good idea?
07-07-2014 11:00 AM
lalachka Selzer, thank you. I like this idea of not using treats for everything.

And I def do expect issues and set him up. and yeah, I should've made it a non issue. Problem is that every day I have hundreds of questions that come up, little stuff like this. So I make what I think is the best choice and almost every time it turns out to be the wrong one.
Nothing about training is common sense. Lol either that or I have none
07-07-2014 10:50 AM
lalachka
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Personally, I wouldn't have taken my dog(s) to a park while they were shooting fireworks. My dog(s) may not react - but someone else's dog might. My FB is flooded now with posts regarding dogs that ran off during fireworks. I certainly wouldn't want to take a chance that my dog might react - or someone elses dog might react.

I almost did it on purpose. I mean I go there every night but I could've went someplace else and on my way there I saw my friends with a husky leaving because he ran off earlier.

First of all, I know my dog, he's a clinger. And second, I wanted to see how he will do. And he did well. Also, last year he did well too. There's also a kiddie park there that has a locking gate and the first two nights of the fireworks we spent inside that park so I had a way to see how he'd react.
07-07-2014 10:24 AM
selzer I kind of agree with the person that told you not to do that. Your dog is eating, your dog is fine. The dog is not having trouble with the fireworks, so just ignore it. Praising the dog for not having trouble with the fireworks is kind of like suggesting the dog should take notice of them.

And while it should not create fear of fireworks, it could make your dog anticipate treats, and become anxious, insistent, you hear the big booms, where's the liver???

I think that sometimes we anticipate issues that we have heard of, and we either set the dog up to see if they have that issue, or we go right to working to avoid/remedy the issue, that we can actually increase some less than desirable habits. People are too dependent on treats. Dogs should not think that every time they run into something new or different someone is going to shove something yummy at them.

If you do that, when you get your dog into training, when you are trying to lure a dog to learn something new, the treats you are working with have less effect, because they are over used. I think the reason the best trainers have the total focus of their dogs is that they use praise and treats and toys effectively and efficiently in training.
07-07-2014 10:09 AM
Lilie
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Originally Posted by lalachka View Post
I agree too but I was at the park with them doing the fireworks about 50 ft away so I was anxious lol. But yeah should've just ignored it.
Personally, I wouldn't have taken my dog(s) to a park while they were shooting fireworks. My dog(s) may not react - but someone else's dog might. My FB is flooded now with posts regarding dogs that ran off during fireworks. I certainly wouldn't want to take a chance that my dog might react - or someone elses dog might react.
07-07-2014 09:39 AM
lalachka
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Originally Posted by Lilie View Post
I agree with this approach. My dogs don't react to fireworks / thunderstorms. They are a non-event(s) in my house. I will set the dogs up to succeed and make sure I stay on our normal schedule. I might increase the values - add something yummy to their food, or play with a favorite toy.

I agree too but I was at the park with them doing the fireworks about 50 ft away so I was anxious lol. But yeah should've just ignored it.
07-07-2014 09:35 AM
Lilie
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Originally Posted by robk View Post
How about just ignore the fireworks? If your dog is not affected by them, why draw attention to them?
I agree with this approach. My dogs don't react to fireworks / thunderstorms. They are a non-event(s) in my house. I will set the dogs up to succeed and make sure I stay on our normal schedule. I might increase the values - add something yummy to their food, or play with a favorite toy.
07-07-2014 08:43 AM
lalachka
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Originally Posted by llombardo View Post
I'm thinking the trainer might have saw your dog was uncomfortable and stepped in. I would not have given treats, babied, or corrected the dog. A good example of treating and not associating with bad behavior...a dog that jumps never gets a treat unless all four feet are on the floor .

Maybe I should've just left it alone. And maybe he did see something. Good point)))))
07-07-2014 08:42 AM
lalachka Yeah buses and trucks is something I have to fix. It bothers me to see him scared.

I wouldn't force over. I did a few times, like forcing him to something he's scared of and then read and it's a bad idea. The example was (my favorite Michael Ellis lol), if you're scared of heights and someone drags you to the top of the cliff and is like, look, this is amazing, nothing to be scared of, you'd still be scared)))) probably even more

I messed it up, he said it much better
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