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Today 03:47 PM
Momto2GSDs
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Originally Posted by datboggs View Post
To the OP, I went through all of this with my GSD Saxon (BB, TOTW, Acana, Costco GF, etc etc). The only one that stopped the runny puddles was Natures Variety Limited Ingredient Lamb. I recently tried the NV regular lamb but it started getting soft again so back to the limited lamb. It is ridiculously expensive but it works and I don't have to drag out the hose when he goes. - Derrick
Yes, I too suggested Nature's Variety because it contains Montmorillonite Clay which helps firm up stools in some dogs.

Unfortunately, sometimes it's necessary to purchase the more expensive/better quality foods to keep the gut under control and keep the dogs thriving.

@ Barnyard: The Honest Kitchen has SUPERB Human Grade products, but I think this little guy needs more help than what Perfect Form can give him. The "Now" product also contains Pancreatin & Ox Bile which will help his system break down and assimilate his food better.

Moms
Today 02:30 PM
datboggs To the OP, I went through all of this with my GSD Saxon (BB, TOTW, Acana, Costco GF, etc etc). The only one that stopped the runny puddles was Natures Variety Limited Ingredient Lamb. I recently tried the NV regular lamb but it started getting soft again so back to the limited lamb. It is ridiculously expensive but it works and I don't have to drag out the hose when he goes. - Derrick
Today 01:43 PM
barnyard Honest Kitchen has a product called Perfect Form that has worked well for us. It contains slippery elm and some other things that help digestion.
You might think about trying Purina Pro Plan Select Sensitive Skin and Sensitive Stomach. I know Purina isn't the most popular, but this particular product has helped a number of dogs have better tummies.
If it helps, once his stomach regulates for a while you could try something else. Nature's Recipe also has a sensitive stomach recipe that has pumpkin, but I haven't heard much about it.
Today 09:43 AM
Momto2GSDs
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Originally Posted by joneser View Post
update: Have been feeding TOTW Pacific Salmon for 2 weeks now. 6 days ago, added 1 tsp kefir for dinner and .5 tsp coconut oil for breakfast. also put a capful of ACV in his water (1 quart bowl). no improvements....

Should I keep him on TOTW for another week? My backyard is covered in brown sludge piles. He's eating about 5 cups total per day, isn't lethargic or anything, just not thriving.

Went to the specialty pet store yesterday and they recommended Zignature Duck because it's "very limited ingredient."

I'm passively considering raw, but concerned about all the prep involved...I barely prepare food for myself, and have the extra 20lbs to show for it

Also, holy beans is Fromm's expensive! sheesh..
To me, it sounds like your boy possibly has an unhealthy gut and that's where 80% of disease begins. Could even be yeast. I would get the digestive enzymes to help him assimilate this food and the Slippery Elm to sooth the stomach lining. Also a few tablespoons of the plain canned pumpkin. He must have a terrible belly ache all the time and you need to get this extremely loose stool corrected as this has to be taking a lot out of his system. Most GSD's do not show discomfort.

Pea products bother some dogs and IF that is your boy's problem the TOTW and the Zignature both have them (as do MANY others) so I don't know if the Zig would help or not.
TOTW: Salmon, ocean fish meal, sweet potatoes, potatoes, peas, pea protein, canola oil, tomato pomace, smoked salmon, salmon meal,
ZIGNZTURE: Duck, Duck Meal, Chickpeas, Pea Flour, Peas, Sunflower Oil, Flaxseed,

I would also do the NutriScan so that you have a starting point of what to look for in a food for him.

Poor Baby!
Moms
Today 12:06 AM
joneser I forget the specific name but there was a 30lb bag of fromm's for $91. There were other varieties priced lower based on how "exotic" the protein was, I was focused on a fish base.

I just feel so bad for his poor gunky eyes. He's getting sick of me trying to clean them.
Yesterday 06:11 PM
Galathiel I don't think Fromm's is more expensive than Blue Buffalo if you compare. It probably IS more expensive than TOTW (which I didn't/wouldn't feed). When I switched my pup from BB LB puppy to Fromm LB puppy, it was actually cheaper and a bigger bag as well.
Yesterday 05:22 PM
joneser update: Have been feeding TOTW Pacific Salmon for 2 weeks now. 6 days ago, added 1 tsp kefir for dinner and .5 tsp coconut oil for breakfast. also put a capful of ACV in his water (1 quart bowl). no improvements....

Should I keep him on TOTW for another week? My backyard is covered in brown sludge piles. He's eating about 5 cups total per day, isn't lethargic or anything, just not thriving.

Went to the specialty pet store yesterday and they recommended Zignature Duck because it's "very limited ingredient."

I'm passively considering raw, but concerned about all the prep involved...I barely prepare food for myself, and have the extra 20lbs to show for it

Also, holy beans is Fromm's expensive! sheesh..
07-16-2014 11:06 AM
scarfish
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Originally Posted by Momto2GSDs View Post
I’m not a fan of anything manufactured by the “Diamond” company as some of their facilities are so dirty (which inspections proved in 2012 with the HUGE recall on many of the foods they produce) and TOTW is one of them.

BTW PetsMart and PetCo sell the Nature’s Variety and Pet Supply Plus sells Acana. I would purchase a Non-Grain kibble just in case it is grain he is sensitive to.
our local petsmart doesn't sell nature's variety in store. we tried a bunch of higher end food and one of dogs when little always has wet poops and a belly rash. after trying nature's variety grain free she was normal almost immediately. at over a year and a half it's never came back and now our 6 month old also eats it to without problem. we will prolly never feed anything else.

although our oldest has gotten bored of eating the same thing and rarely finishes her bowl. even after mixing in some wet, beef broth, some cheese or some egg she still doesn't eat much of the kibble. i'm thinking about buying a family pack of raw chicken quarters and trying a 50/50 mix of raw and kibble to spice up her life a little bit. i'll see how that goes.
07-16-2014 10:38 AM
lyssa62 I feed Roxy BB fish and sweet potato with no issues. We have had to move away from grain and chicken altogether. I really like the Natural Balance Duck and Sweet Potato but I have to drive almost an hour away to get that. I don't buy big bags of anything because I never know when Roxy is going to get bored with one food and need to mix it up with something else. She's like me...1 kind of diet after awhile and I am ready for a change.
I LOVE the fact that Natural Balance has the bigger kibble. I am still stymied why for big dogs they make bb with that little kitty size kibble. Makes no sense to me..there is no chewing with that...Roxy laps it up on her tongue and swallows it...the Natural Balance she HAS to chew.
07-16-2014 07:42 AM
Momto2GSDs I’m not a fan of anything manufactured by the “Diamond” company as some of their facilities are so dirty (which inspections proved in 2012 with the HUGE recall on many of the foods they produce) and TOTW is one of them.

BTW PetsMart and PetCo sell the Nature’s Variety and Pet Supply Plus sells Acana. I would purchase a Non-Grain kibble just in case it is grain he is sensitive to.

Have your tried using digestive enzymes/pro-biotics? If you can’t wait for delivery of one of my other suggestions, get this one in a health food store (not GNC) Super Enzymes - 90 Capsules This breaks down fats, carbs and proteins and helps the body utilize food properly. Do not purchase any “Chewable” products as they may contain Xylitol which is poisonous to dogs.

You can also purchase some “Slippery Elm” (no other ingredients added) at the health food store to sooth his stomach: Solaray Slippery Elm -- 100 Capsules - Vitacost

A few tablespoons of Plain Canned Pumpkin (NO spices) mixed with his kibble can also help.

To get the loose stool under control you can try equal amounts of Plain Canned Pumpkin (some people use over cooked white rice) and lightly boiled Ground Turkey Breast, fed in several small meals. After stool becomes solid for a few days, you slowly add in a new kibble, taking several days to a week or more to do this, depending on the dog.

The food “Sensitivity” testing you may want to try is called “Nutri-Scan”. Many people have had GREAT results with their dogs by using this test. www.nutriscan.org
“This test measures antibodies to certain foods in dog saliva. High antibody levels indicate that the dog has a food sensitivity and intolerance to that food or foods. Food intolerance or sensitivity is actually quite common whereas food allergy is rare. In fact, food intolerance is the third most common sensitivity condition in dogs and often can be easily remedied with a change in diet.Dr. Jean Dodds, NutriScan tests for the twenty most commonly ingested foods by dogs to provide you with specific results as to your dog's food intolerances or sensitivities. Since it is a salivary test, you have the convenience to complete the test at home or at your veterinarian’s office. Best of all, you can have the results in approximately two weeks to help you put your dog on the right diet.
Remember, NutriScan is novel and patented and is not testing for food allergies, but rather tests for food sensitivities and intolerance. These are different body immune responses. Food allergy is a more immediate reaction mediated by production of IgE and IgG antibodies. Food sensitivity and intolerance, by contrast, measures a more delayed body response to offending foods by measuring production of IgA and IgM antibodies primarily in mucosal secretions from the bowel.”
NutriScan is split into two test panels. I’d order both.
Panel1: Beef, Corn, Wheat, Soy, Cow’s Milk, Lamb, Venison/Deer, Chicken, Turkey, White Fish.
Panel 2: Chicken Eggs, Barley, Millet, Oatmeal, Salmon, Rabbit, Rice, Quinoa, Potatoes, Peanuts/Peanut Butter.
$130 for one panel (10 antigens), $250 for two panels (20 antigens). Vet Allergy test cost about $500 for 20 antigens. Check this page for test differences: http://nutriscan.org/the-nutriscan-difference/nutriscan-vs-skin-patchskin-prick-testing.html
Q. How does this test differ from other food “allergy” tests on serum or feces ?
A. Food allergy tests measure antibodies to IgG and IgE in serum or feces. These are typically more acute allergic reactions to foods, whereas NutriScan measures IgA and IgM antibodies on the bowel’s mucosal surface, and thus more directly correlates to symptoms of bowel (GI tract) disease. http://nutriscan.org/the-nutriscan-difference/faqs.html

Uses of Organic Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV):

*You can try a 50/50 spray of Organic Apple Cider Vinegar (from a health food store) and purified water to spray on his belly and use as a rinse after a bath (let him drip dry). Do not use a shampoo that contains Oatmeal just in case your pup is sensitive to grains.

*Also people have had luck with spraying some ACV mix on the back of the neck (it absorbs into the skin) twice a day to relieve the eye gunk!
*Add one tablespoon of ACV 2 times daily to his meal. This will help if the pup has a "yeast" problem. When improvement is seen, back off on dosage.



Good luck!
Moms
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