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06-30-2014 09:31 AM
ayoitzrimz A little late to the party here, but same at our club - just something most dogs start anticipating.

THink about it - most people make a big deal of an article whether they want to or not. You DO get excited when the dog first finds these things, so the dog picks up on that. You probably reward the article indication so the dog wants to get his reward faster, like anticipating the command (the article is the command). It becomes worse for dogs that either air-scent a lot and pick up the article scent downwind OR look ahead and see the article ahead.

Some dogs are extremely focused (both sight and smell) on the next footprint, and really don't see the article until they are right on top of it, and it never becomes a problem. My dog is NOT one of them hehe.

But either way, at our club, it's pretty common.

Some things that helped:
1. By and large make sure the dog understands indication. If they only do articles on the track, teach them articles OFF the track. Teach them they must go TO THE ARTICLE and indicate for a reward. It becomes very easy to make it black and white that way
2. When the dog indicates early, I would just encourage him to find the article and reward him there. Then (later on in training) I would not reward if he falsely indicated
3. I would attach a verbal command other than "such" to indicate the article. Something like "show me" or something like that. Reason is: dog picks up the scent downwind and indicates early. What do you tell him? Such? and then what? he passes the article and you correct him for an article he in his mind already indicated? That just causes confusion. I use "no no, show me" and he knows he's not quite there but he needs to find an article for me. I don't use it anymore, more of a crutch when we were working on articles

Anyway, hope that helps! it is pretty common at least where we are
06-30-2014 08:39 AM
GatorDog
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Originally Posted by Jax08 View Post
At what point in their training did you start doing that?
When I knew that she knew articles and indicated normal ones reliably, I made them very small and buried them. It's about indicating the scent now, not the visual.

I personally don't use scrabble pieces, marbles etc...? Dog won't ever see that in trial. They might, however, not be able to see the article. So that's why tiny, non visual ones work for me.

I also don't choose to post videos to "prove" anything to anyone. I do it to share the learning process with my dog, and learn from each video that I post myself. Just sayin..

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06-30-2014 01:53 AM
Packen
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Originally Posted by onyx'girl View Post
Go beyond, as in post our training video's to prove we are actually in the field training?
Nope, it is the quality of the dog and training put together.
06-29-2014 06:06 PM
Jax08
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I don't make my articles visible at all and cut them into thirds.
At what point in their training did you start doing that?
06-29-2014 05:39 PM
onyx'girl Go beyond, as in post our training video's to prove we are actually in the field training?
06-29-2014 03:17 PM
Packen
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Originally Posted by Castlemaid View Post
Don't worry about it Jane, I'm proud of my status as a typical forum trainer.
Majority of us are typical forum trainers here, some have potential to go beyond that and it should not be a touchy subject to see and acknowledge that!
06-29-2014 12:50 PM
Castlemaid
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Originally Posted by lhczth View Post
Jane, it isn't worth it.

Don't worry about it Jane, I'm proud of my status as a typical forum trainer.
06-29-2014 12:28 PM
lhczth Jane, it isn't worth it.
06-28-2014 11:39 PM
onyx'girl Articles don't have to be regulation size, they can be scrabble piece size, or a glass marble if you want to make it difficult....typical forum trainer ?
06-28-2014 11:34 PM
Packen
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Originally Posted by GatorDog View Post
I don't make my articles visible at all and cut them into thirds.
Excellent! But then you are aiming away higher than your typical forum trainer
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