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06-28-2014 02:18 AM
cliffson1 Yep Coachcj.....videos to me are like going to see the parents in person.....the value lies in the ability of individual viewing to interpret what they are looking at.
06-27-2014 10:01 AM
Baillif Its a bigger issue than just video. There is a distinct difference between dogs that are born with "it" vs dogs that were trained to have "it." I speak mostly about bitework or drive and enthusiasm for the work, but it creeps into other aspects like temperament too.

There are dogs at world level in a lot of sports that were ok but made great by people that knew what they were doing and just put a ton of work in. Good dogs can be made great but there are dogs out there born great most everything training wise comes easy to the and they are the ones that should be bred.
06-27-2014 09:09 AM
hunterisgreat
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This is the same thing that I was going to say, Cliff (but you stated it better than I could have)... I lot of times those "washouts" are really nice dogs, but just didn't have the right handler/trainer to develop them. I've seen dogs that I would've loved to have, but because they may have been the growling,shaking, more gruff type dog, instead of the trainers trying to adjust their methods to the dog, the trainers just label the dog as being too low in prey or "too real" and just tossed aside.
No such thing as "too real". We "keeps it real" at CWDC lol
06-27-2014 09:07 AM
hunterisgreat
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I have watched lots of video. I always ask myself "what could have happened right before they started filming or right after"

The video is a very small snippet. And can't be relied on to give a true rep of the dog.

I can take 30 seconds of video on any dog and make them look amazing or crud. Not every dog is going to perfect everytime. Or there would be no point in training. They would be perfect from birth. There is a learning curve, handler mistakes, helper mistakes.

We pick apart dogs on this forum on a regular basis based on 1 minute of film. You can't know what you have until you see the whole picture.


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That's why I gave you guys 4 and a half minutes of film with as much variety of work as I had filmed. lol
06-27-2014 09:05 AM
hunterisgreat
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Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg1 View Post
I have seen that and you are right. However, in this case that is not the issue..

I think the dog would do better in a suit sport perhaps.
Suitwork is higher stress, more fight/aggression, takes stronger nerves. What makes you say this?
06-27-2014 07:25 AM
coachcj
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The few washout sport dogs that make good police dogs are usually because of too much dog with inadequate handler, or a dog with very strong defense/fight drives that unskilled TDs today cannot achieve the full grip that is so essential for points. Actually, alligator full bites is not as important to LE as hard bites with fight behind them.
This is the same thing that I was going to say, Cliff (but you stated it better than I could have)... I lot of times those "washouts" are really nice dogs, but just didn't have the right handler/trainer to develop them. I've seen dogs that I would've loved to have, but because they may have been the growling,shaking, more gruff type dog, instead of the trainers trying to adjust their methods to the dog, the trainers just label the dog as being too low in prey or "too real" and just tossed aside.
06-24-2014 12:27 PM
martemchik I kind of like the fact that video is available now. I think it makes breeding a little less regional than it has always been. Sure, you have a few breeders that will import and send bitches across the country to get bred, but most of the ones I see (even the successful sport/show ones) are breeding with what is having success locally, matches their pedigree, and is convenient for them. They see the dog at shows/trials, see it perform, check a pedigree, and then probably call up the owner.

At least with video, a person can make some sort of judgment on how the dog works. Without it, people are just going off pedigrees and titles, and maybe some sort of word of mouth. For the people just buying the dogs for 5 figures based off of videos because they think they’re a sport prospect…who cares? There aren’t that many of them. They don’t make that big of a dent in where the breed is going. And if you have the money, I’m in no position to tell you what you should and shouldn’t spend it on.

A bigger issue with video, is judging the dog after seeing its pedigree. Anyone that knows pedigrees will have preconceived notions of what the dog should be. And they’ll look for those issues when watching the video. They, unknowingly, will nit pic at the issues they see, and sometimes, they might not even be there. On this forum, many times it happens because of WHO is posting and who’s dog it is. I’ve seen both happen so often. When it becomes very apparent it’s the handler being judged and not the dog…but the comments are all towards the dog.

Ever see someone that’s a little “disliked” or just not as high up the totem pole post a video? Look at the comments about the dog’s work. Then compare them to a person that does have some “respect” and see how the comments are. No criticism, all positives, people generally don’t even point anything out. It’s just an overall “Great work!”

This same thing happens in real life. People are afraid to step on anyone’s toes. So they watch a video, and if the dog is owned/handled by someone that’s big and important, no one says anything bad. They take their experienced opinion without question and just go with it.
06-24-2014 09:39 AM
Blitzkrieg1 You know better then me Cliff, however by no means was I limiting my comments to IPO or previously titled dogs. Seems like a lot of LE brokers are going to Holland and Belgium lately.

Even have some higher end sport dogs being imported from there to these parts lately.

The sourcing of stock has always interested me, so whenever I run into someone that is involved in the business I try to find out were they get their stuff, for how much, etc.
06-24-2014 08:55 AM
cliffson1 I have seen police procure dogs from all kind of sources, so everyone is right technically....lol, but I have also seen hundreds of dogs procured by police, and there is the norm and there is the exception. The police used to get many dogs from SCH in past years. Many police dogs were titled dogs.....today very, very, few. It is important to know if information shared is the exception or the norm. The few washout sport dogs that make good police dogs are usually because of too much dog with inadequate handler, or a dog with very strong defense/fight drives that unskilled TDs today cannot achieve the full grip that is so essential for points. Actually, alligator full bites is not as important to LE as hard bites with fight behind them....but we all know one or two examples to make a case for any scenario.
06-24-2014 02:00 AM
Blitzkrieg1 Even just going to a training day and watching the dogs. I was watching that day and thinking to myself those two are looking good today. If you didnt know them well you may have thought they were top quality.
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